Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-07-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:39:54 +0200 Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually > graduates from kindergarten :-) > And perhaps introduce a "culture-fit" score in the recruiting, > mentoring process. Maybe we should require everyone to be able to re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Fabio Erculiani
Thanks for the offer, I appreciate it, but I have to decline this time. -- Fabio Erculiani

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2013 04:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually > graduates from kindergarten :-) > And perhaps introduce a "culture-fit" score in the recruiting, > mentoring process. > Fabio, How

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Michael Weber wrote: > > And it's not fair to pick on the candidates by putting them under > close watch (mentor ship, probation already in place) and let the > established ones walk away. Tend to agree, and I don't think it is as productive either. Set policies

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 08:32 AM, Michael Weber wrote: > [talking about recruiting] > > Please don't focus on new arrivals, we should all be under investigation. > > I don't know the distribution of dev-ship-duration, but (hopefully) > it's long enough to justify a look at the stock. > > And it's not fair

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 [talking about recruiting] Please don't focus on new arrivals, we should all be under investigation. I don't know the distribution of dev-ship-duration, but (hopefully) it's long enough to justify a look at the stock. And it's not fair to pick on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Petteri Räty
On 20.6.2013 16.07, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: >> On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: >>> On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 08:11 AM, hasufell wrote: > On 06/20/2013 03:07 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >> On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: >>> On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2013 03:07 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: >> On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: >>> On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: > On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: >> On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >>> The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually >>> graduates from kindergarten :-) >>> And perhaps introduce a "culture-fit" score in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Petteri Räty
On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >> The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually >> graduates from kindergarten :-) >> And perhaps introduce a "culture-fit" score in the recruiting, >> mentoring process. >> > As an emplo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually > graduates from kindergarten :-) > And perhaps introduce a "culture-fit" score in the recruiting, > mentoring process. > As an employee that works for a company that requires a cult

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Fabio Erculiani
The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps introduce a "culture-fit" score in the recruiting, mentoring process. -- Fabio Erculiani

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Markos Chandras
On 20 June 2013 04:53, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Does this mean the QA lead finally gets to suspend people who are patently > not suited for developing a stable distribution without asking devrel? > Because last time we got into the same judge, jury, and executioner > argument, which I guess was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Luca Barbato
On 06/20/2013 05:53 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Does this mean the QA lead finally gets to suspend people who are > patently not suited for developing a stable distribution without > asking devrel? Because last time we got into the same judge, jury, > and executioner argument, which I guess was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Roy Bamford
On 06/19/13 18:35:49, Markos Chandras wrote: > Hi, > > It is unfortunate to observe constant bullying, insults and trolling > across our public media. Developers have been warned over and over > that > such behaviour is not acceptable and they should try to behave > properly. However, people have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Does this mean the QA lead finally gets to suspend people who are patently not suited for developing a stable distribution without asking devrel? Because last time we got into the same judge, jury, and executioner argument, which I guess was just sent for the gallows (pun intended). Mind, it's not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Luca Barbato
On 06/19/2013 09:15 PM, g...@malth.us wrote: > Sorry to hear you have such a low opinion of the socialization of Gentoo > developers. Since I'm not one of them, I'll just put forth my 2c in on > this, without fear of "consequences." Yet even users not behaving will get a friendly warning and migh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, wrote: > Am I the only one who feels that trolling, abuse, and so forth, are largely > in the eye of the beholder, and that lively, impassioned, constructive > debate may seem to many readers like hyperbole and ad hominem attack? Hence my comment that this is a b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 03:43:41PM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > Gentoo developers have been resigning from the project because they got > burned out by dealing with ad-hominems, insults, and flames. I do not see CoC > enforcement as some sort of plot to enforce groupthink or silence debat

RE: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
Gentoo developers have been resigning from the project because they got burned out by dealing with ad-hominems, insults, and flames. I do not see CoC enforcement as some sort of plot to enforce groupthink or silence debate, but as an attempt to fix the real problem of burnout and talent drain.

RE: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread gmt
on Wed, 19 Jun 2013, at 10:35, Markos Chandras thusly quipped: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > It is unfortunate to observe constant bullying, insults and trolling > across our public media. Developers have been warned over and over that > such behaviour is not acc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 06:35:49PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: > For me, this problem is critical. Devrel is working on formalizing a new > policy, and we will announce news on this soon. In the meantime, to > prevent further escalations, I will use my lead powers to request > immediate bans whe