On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Steven J Long
wrote:
> The shifting nature of the arguments and the solutions makes me more
> uncomfortable that this hasn't been thought through even with the amount of
> feedback, and more importantly proper consideration to that feedback,
> required for a GLEP,
* Olivier Cr?te schrieb:
> d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth
> without d-bus. Even Android has it..
really sad, that so many important packages are depending on
that misdesigned bloat.
cu
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* Olivier Cr?te schrieb:
> You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for
> system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash.
> Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boot
> without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus.
That's on
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:12:26 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> But init=/bin/sh (or /bin/bash as I use here) DOES help in a
> surprising number of cases as long as the necessary storage and input
> drivers and filesystem modules are builtin. And a lot of us have
> strong ideas abo
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:08 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
>
> I meant "hight-level" only in a way that it is not really needed to
> boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root
> prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find
> and mount the rootfs, fire a ge
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:08 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
>
> I meant "hight-level" only in a way that it is not really needed to
> boot the very basic things of a system so that I can get a root
> prompt at the console at least. E.g. you do not need dbus to find
> and mount the rootfs, fire a ge
* Michał Górny schrieb am 05.01.12 um 09:26 Uhr:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100
> Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
>
> > * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > > Michał Górny wr
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:30:07 +0100
Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > /bin/systemctl
> > > > libdbus-1.so.3 => /
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 22:55 Uhr:
> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:45 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> >
> > > That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a
> > "UI"
> > > tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it
> > to
> > > boot.
> >
> > Ye
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:45 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
>
> > That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a
> "UI"
> > tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it
> to
> > boot.
>
> Yeah right. Having dbus for bluetooth is much more important than
> ha
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 19:53 Uhr:
> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> > * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > > Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > /bin/systemctl
> > > > libdbus-1.so.3 => /u
* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > Michał Górny wrote:
> > > /bin/systemctl
> > > libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
> >
> > Here is a prime example of why "vertical int
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:40:10 -0500
Olivier Crête wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > Michał Górny wrote:
> > > /bin/systemctl
> > > libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
> >
> > Here is a prime example of why "verti
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > /bin/systemctl
> > libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
>
> Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really be
> called "a horrible mess of tight
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:54:07 +
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > /bin/systemctl
> > libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Considering that I really thought about stripping that one because
otherwise people will not even notice the
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> /bin/systemctl
> libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really be
called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"...
Remember how people used to make fun of Windows when it
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:50:45 +
Steven J Long wrote:
> (Additionally I'd say that binaries installed to /bin that require
> libraries installed to /usr is a bug, but something that should be
> dealt with separately. Though with the direction people seem to think
> is needed, I'm not sure how m
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Steven J Long
wrote:
> The thing I don't understand is why it is necessary to move stuff from /bin
> to /usr/bin. After all, if you're running the "approved" setup you don't
> have a separate /usr so all the binaries are available from the get-go.
Where is this app
On 03/01/12 12:45 PM, Duncan wrote:
Ian Stakenvicius posted on Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:53:45 -0500 as excerpted:
Has the LFH been updated?? Googling seems to say no, as the last mod
seems to have been in 2004...
That was covered here in the last discussion. The FHS and LSB are
getting updated t
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:35:51PM +, Duncan wrote:
> Ian Stakenvicius posted on Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:03:32 -0500 as excerpted:
>
> > On 03/01/12 11:51 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
> >
> >> For example, consider what happens when bash or all of coreutils
> >> migrate to /usr.
> >
> > ..well, when
On 03/01/12 11:51 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
For example, consider
what happens when bash or all of coreutils migrate to /usr.
..well, when /bin/sh no longer exists then there -will- be issues,
system-wide, on a massive scale. Unless shells or environments can
dynamically map that hash-bang
On 03-01-2012 10:51:00 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> > If a separate /usr is the only holdback, would it not be possible to
> > simply add static devnodes to the pre-udev /dev , and make a pre-init
> > wrapper script that mounts /usr ?
>
> I've thought about this, but a wrapper script assumes t
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:03:04AM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 01/01/12 05:15 AM, Zac Medico wrote:
> >
> > Overall, a migration like this should go pretty smoothly as long as
> > people with separate /usr take appropriate actions to make sure their
> > systems will boot. People without sep
On 01/01/12 05:15 AM, Zac Medico wrote:
Overall, a migration like this should go pretty smoothly as long as
people with separate /usr take appropriate actions to make sure their
systems will boot. People without separate /usr can basically relax and
enjoy the ride.
If a separate /usr is the o
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:54:39 -0300
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:16:29 -0600
> Ryan Hill wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:59:47 -0600
> > William Hubbs wrote:
> >
> > > Udev, kmod (which is a replacement for module-init-tools which
> > > will be needed by >=udev-176), system
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:16:29 -0600
Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:59:47 -0600
> William Hubbs wrote:
>
> > Udev, kmod (which is a replacement for module-init-tools which will
> > be needed by >=udev-176), systemd, and soon others, are advocating
> > a major change to the locations whe
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 05:39:39AM +, Duncan wrote:
> Olivier Crête posted on Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:17:50 -0500 as excerpted:
>
> > On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> >> I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
> >> deleted.
> >>
> >> However,
On 01/01/2012 09:39 PM, Duncan wrote:
> Olivier Crête posted on Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:17:50 -0500 as excerpted:
>
>> On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
>>> I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
>>> deleted.
>>>
>>> However, what I would like to se
Hi,
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
> deleted.
>
> However, what I would like to see is that the package maintainers would
> be responsible for creating any compatibility symlinks their package
> needs
Yeah I know I"m replying to my own message, but I wanted to add a
thought about the symbolic links issue.
I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
deleted.
However, what I would like to see is that the package maintainers would
be responsible for creating any compatib
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:23:11AM +, Duncan wrote:
> Gentoo has historically been both "light patch", with a policy of staying
> close to upstream if possible, and "customizer's choice", allowing users
> far more flexibility than most distros. Keeping both goals in mind,
> migrating with u
On 01/01/2012 01:23 AM, Duncan wrote:
> As for the switchover, I had already been thinking about it here and thus
> have a couple ideas I'd very much like to see implemented in portage/PM/
> base.eclass that could definitely help, along with a USE flag. I'll call
> them "migrated-rootfs" and "mig
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