Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:06:29PM +0100, Alexander Berntsen wrote > As a long-time user, I can't put myself in a first-time user's frame > of reference. But it would be useful for me whenever I'm installing > Gentoo on a new device, if I were able to have the profile's USE-flags > listed. (I know

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 22/01/13 13:12, Rich Freeman wrote: As a long-time user, I can't put myself in a first-time user's frame of reference. But it would be useful for me whenever I'm installing Gentoo on a new device, if I were able to have the profile's USE-flags li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > > While I tend towards the cleaner design, not the "don't fix what isn't > *broken*" approach -- I'm fine either way. But I think the handbook or > some tool should obnoxiously spit the flags (and a minor > "justification" for each flag

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 22 January 2013 03:28, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch >> wrote: >>> The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use >>> default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 While I tend towards the cleaner design, not the "don't fix what isn't *broken*" approach -- I'm fine either way. But I think the handbook or some tool should obnoxiously spit the flags (and a minor "justification" for each flag and/or the set of fla

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 January 2013 10:36, Walter Dnes wrote: > I think we may have to admit that "one size does not fit all". There > are just too many individual scenarios. A truly minimal build should be > sufficient to boot to a text console, and have networking and portage to > be able to build further up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 January 2013 03:28, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch > wrote: >> The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use >> default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use >> directories have dozens of -flag entr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 02:28:47PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch > wrote: > > The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use > > default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use > > directories have doz

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:51:54AM -0600, Dustin C. Hatch wrote > The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use > default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my > /etc/portage/package.use directories have dozens of -flag entries for > packages with ridiculous defaults,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch wrote: > The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use > default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use > directories have dozens of -flag entries for packages with ridiculous > defaults, and almost