On Tuesday 27 December 2011 12:29:09 Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 of December 2011 04:40:09 Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 December 2011 20:44:03 Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
> > > I still think we should even make PN an unique identifier in order to
> > > be able to purge categori
OK, now that we have bikeshedded this to death, let me state that I
fullheartedly support the original proposal by Alexandre, as unmodified as
possible. We should IMHO implement it as soon as possible.
Andreas
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On Wednesday 21 of December 2011 04:40:09 Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 December 2011 20:44:03 Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
> > I still think we should even make PN an unique identifier in order to be
> > able to purge categories... that's different story though...
>
> a world without categorie
On Tuesday 20 December 2011 20:44:03 Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
> I still think we should even make PN an unique identifier in order to be
> able to purge categories... that's different story though...
a world without categories is a *lot* worse than a world with $PN free
collisions
-mike
signatur
On Monday 19 of December 2011 02:52:54 Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 01:08 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > [Why are there different Reply-To: headers in -dev and in -pms MLs?
> > Following up to both lists.]
>
> I apologize for the mess; I had intended to bring the question
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 00:31:35 -0500
Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 03:41 +0100, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> > For completeness, could you post a list of packages that would
> > benefit from your proposed changes? It's a little thing called
> > scope. :)
>
> I cannot provide you t
El lun, 19-12-2011 a las 09:31 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 00:07:45 +0100
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>
> > El dom, 18-12-2011 a las 23:02 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> > [...]
> > > > Q6: Why can't the dodoc/dohtml path be changed before EAPI-5?
> > > > A6: Because the path wh
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 05:23 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2011, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
>
> >> Can we please avoid the bloat of another directory level here?
> >> ${CATEGORY}/${PN} will be even longer than ${PF} in most cases.
>
> > The problem is that ($PN, $CATEGORY) p
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:02:07 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> Shifting is unavoidable. SLOTs can change, categories can change,
> package names can change.
We should really just abolish updates and handle changes by reinstalls
plus blockers. Updates are a huge pain, they cause all kinds of problems
an
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:41:00 -0500
Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> Using /usr/share/doc/$PN-$SLOT with exceptions for packages that have
> the same ($PN, $SLOT) but different categories would not scale: it
> turns out there are >100 of them in the main tree.
And I hope there will be more. We shoul
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:23:08 +0100
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> 2. It doesn't play well with bash completion. When searching for
>documentation of a specific package (and only knowing PN), one can
>currently type the pathname up to PN and press tab which will
>complete PVR. With CATEGORY _
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 00:07:45 +0100
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El dom, 18-12-2011 a las 23:02 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
> [...]
> > > Q6: Why can't the dodoc/dohtml path be changed before EAPI-5?
> > > A6: Because the path where dodoc and dohtml install files is part
> > > of the PMS. Portage can't
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2011, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> I am forced to agree with your points #1 and #2.
Good. :-)
> $CATEGORY/$PN-$SLOT is optimized for the "bookmark a document and go
> back to it a week later" use case, but you are correct that it would
> work poorly for the "quickly look up
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 05:23 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> Thinking about it a little more, I believe that ${CATEGORY} shouldn't
> appear anywhere in the path of installed files, for the following
> reasons:
>
> 1. Users may not know the category of a package, therefore it's not
>obvious for t
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 03:41 +0100, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> For completeness, could you post a list of packages that would benefit
> from your proposed changes? It's a little thing called scope. :)
I cannot provide you the full list; for that I would have to rebuild the
full tree with USE=doc enabl
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
Can we please avoid the bloat of another directory level here?
${CATEGORY}/${PN} will be even longer than ${PF} in most cases.
The problem is that ($PN, $CATEGORY) pairs are not unique. Think of
x11-terms/terminal:0 and gnus
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
>> Can we please avoid the bloat of another directory level here?
>> ${CATEGORY}/${PN} will be even longer than ${PF} in most cases.
> The problem is that ($PN, $CATEGORY) pairs are not unique. Think of
> x11-terms/terminal:0 and gnustep-apps
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:26:08 -0500
Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 23:02 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> > What if 'foo' has slot named 'bar', and there is unslotted 'foo-bar'
> > package? :P
>
> There are no such examples in the tree. The only ebuilds I could find
> with non-nu
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 23:02 +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> What if 'foo' has slot named 'bar', and there is unslotted 'foo-bar'
> package? :P
There are no such examples in the tree. The only ebuilds I could find
with non-numeric slots are various kernel sources, chromium,
google-chrome, beautifulsou
On Mon, 2011-12-19 at 01:08 +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> [Why are there different Reply-To: headers in -dev and in -pms MLs?
> Following up to both lists.]
I apologize for the mess; I had intended to bring the question up before
a wider audience, but failed to think through the consequences of t
On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 23:07 +0100, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Alexandre Rostovtsev schrieb:
> > Answers to anticipated questions:
> Q8: SLOT can change after the package was installed. How to handle this
> case?
I think the slotmove should happen without renaming the documentation
direc
[Why are there different Reply-To: headers in -dev and in -pms MLs?
Following up to both lists.]
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> At the moment, Gentoo documentation is supposed to be installed in
> /usr/share/doc/$PF. [...]
> I propose the following changes, and will wri
El dom, 18-12-2011 a las 23:02 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
[...]
> > Q6: Why can't the dodoc/dohtml path be changed before EAPI-5?
> > A6: Because the path where dodoc and dohtml install files is part of
> > the PMS. Portage can't just change it on its own. A possible
> > workaround for current E
Alexandre Rostovtsev schrieb:
> Answers to anticipated questions:
Q8: SLOT can change after the package was installed. How to handle this
case?
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
I basically agree, it's quite a great idea. Just a few comments though.
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:49:38 -0500
Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
> * The package's documentation may be designed primarily for tools and
> viewers which expect to load documentation files from a different
> location.
That's
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