Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/3/31 Tomáš Chvátal : > Well technically yep, but for lets say the ffmpeg the mp3 useflag means > "Enable mp3 encoding support." :) > > If user sets -mp3 it still can play mp3 tracks but in really worse > quality so it is just nice convinience that ffmpeg always allows playing > those files. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 31.3.2011 09:51, Fabian Groffen napsal(a): > On 31-03-2011 09:41:10 +0200, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: >> Dne 31.3.2011 09:33, Fabian Groffen napsal(a): >>> On 31-03-2011 09:23:16 +0200, justin wrote: instead of the default mp3 - Add suppor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread justin
On 31/03/11 09:57, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 31-03-2011 09:44:37 +0200, justin wrote: >> First is a package specific, second is the default. >> >> And no, asuming the USE is introduced correctly here, it makes a >> difference, whether we take the global meaning -> reading mp3 files at >> all; or c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 31-03-2011 09:44:37 +0200, justin wrote: > First is a package specific, second is the default. > > And no, asuming the USE is introduced correctly here, it makes a > difference, whether we take the global meaning -> reading mp3 files at > all; or changing the way it is done for this package. Be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 31-03-2011 09:41:10 +0200, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > Dne 31.3.2011 09:33, Fabian Groffen napsal(a): > > On 31-03-2011 09:23:16 +0200, justin wrote: > >> instead of the default > >> > >> mp3 - Add support for reading mp3 files > > > > I find the default clear enough. It seems the mp3 USE-flag is >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread justin
On 31/03/11 09:33, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 31-03-2011 09:23:16 +0200, justin wrote: >> This is what I mean by good description >> >> +Enable support for mp3 decoding over >> media-sound/mpg123 instead of relying on ffmpeg support. >> >> instead of the default >> >> mp3 - Add support for read

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 31.3.2011 09:33, Fabian Groffen napsal(a): > On 31-03-2011 09:23:16 +0200, justin wrote: >> This is what I mean by good description >> >> +Enable support for mp3 decoding over >> media-sound/mpg123 instead of relying on ffmpeg support. >> >> in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 31-03-2011 09:23:16 +0200, justin wrote: > This is what I mean by good description > > + Enable support for mp3 decoding over > media-sound/mpg123 instead of relying on ffmpeg support. > > instead of the default > > mp3 - Add support for reading mp3 files > > Everybody understands what m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread justin
This is what I mean by good description + Enable support for mp3 decoding over media-sound/mpg123 instead of relying on ffmpeg support. instead of the default mp3 - Add support for reading mp3 files Everybody understands what mp3 means, but we truely need something else here. justin s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/3/31 Eray Aslan : > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:41:25PM -0500, Dale wrote: >> +1  Some descriptions may as well not have one at all.  May as well >> Google the flag and the package and see what, if anything, it returns. > > I would say working as intended.  If you do not know what a package > d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-31 Thread Dale
Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: Excerpts from Alec Warner's message of Thu Mar 31 08:23:45 +0200 2011: On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Dale wrote: Eray Aslan wrote: In all seriousness, this has been discussed before and it doesn't get any better. I'm not sure how to fix it either. The s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from Alec Warner's message of Thu Mar 31 08:23:45 +0200 2011: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Dale wrote: > > Eray Aslan wrote: > > In all seriousness, this has been discussed before and it doesn't > > get any better.  I'm not sure how to fix it either.  The space for > > the descripti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Dale wrote: > Eray Aslan wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:41:25PM -0500, Dale wrote: >> >>> >>> +1  Some descriptions may as well not have one at all.  May as well >>> Google the flag and the package and see what, if anything, it returns. >>> >> >> I would s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Dale
Eray Aslan wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:41:25PM -0500, Dale wrote: +1 Some descriptions may as well not have one at all. May as well Google the flag and the package and see what, if anything, it returns. I would say working as intended. If you do not know what a package does,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Eray Aslan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 04:41:25PM -0500, Dale wrote: > +1 Some descriptions may as well not have one at all. May as well > Google the flag and the package and see what, if anything, it returns. I would say working as intended. If you do not know what a package does, chances are you don't need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Dale
Aaron W. Swenson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/30/2011 05:41 PM, Dale wrote: Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: Justin has pointed problem which is worth our attention. It is not just me being pissed off when reading „Enable support for foo”, there are many user

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/30/2011 05:41 PM, Dale wrote: > Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: >> Justin has pointed problem which is worth our attention. It is not just >> me being pissed off when reading „Enable support for foo”, there are >> many users complaining about that. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Dale
Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: Justin has pointed problem which is worth our attention. It is not just me being pissed off when reading „Enable support for foo”, there are many users complaining about that. +1 Some descriptions may as well not have one at all. May as well Google the flag and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from Olivier Crête's message of Wed Mar 30 22:14:30 +0200 2011: > On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 21:56 +0200, Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: > > The main problem is that user might not know what kind of “foo” support > > it is. For example I have “pango” USE flag in sys-boot/plymouth. What > > would exp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Olivier Crête
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 21:56 +0200, Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: > The main problem is that user might not know what kind of “foo” support > it is. For example I have “pango” USE flag in sys-boot/plymouth. What > would explain to you something like: “Enables support for > x11-libs/pango”? And how you w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from James Cloos's message of Wed Mar 30 18:13:21 +0200 2011: > j> Enables foo intergration > j> or > j> Enables support for foo > > j> if it isn't totally clear what "foo" is > > Even preferring $C/$PN where $PN is currently used would help, > since it makes it clear that the foo is a p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-30 Thread James Cloos
> "j" == justin writes: j> In my opinion some thing like j> Enables foo intergration j> or j> Enables support for foo j> if it isn't totally clear what "foo" is Even preferring $C/$PN where $PN is currently used would help, since it makes it clear that the foo is a package. -JimC -- Jam

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread justin
On 29/03/11 18:02, Andy Spencer wrote: > On 2011-03-29 17:10, Jeroen Roovers wrote: >> You could start by pointing out some good examples of bad >> descriptions. > > A few regular expressions might help with that: > > /:(\w+) - (Enable|Add) support for \1$/ > /:(\w+) - (Enable|Add) \1( suppor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > One USE flag I remember in particular bothering me was > gnome-extra/gnome-games' guile USE flag. > > The global description says "guile - Adds support for the guile Scheme > interpreter" but this flag is actually determines whether a number o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Matt Turner
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:24 PM, justin wrote: > Hi, > > the descriptions of USE flags should explain what the USE is good for. > In my opinion some thing like > > Enables foo intergration > or > Enables support for foo > > if it isn't totally clear what "foo" is, sucks!! There are many, many > de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le mardi 29 mars 2011 à 16:02 +, Andy Spencer a écrit : > > app-office/abiword-plugins:thesaurus - Enable thesaurus support > app-office/abiword:thesaurus - Enable thesaurus support can't help you if you don't know what a thesaurus is, really :( -- Gilles Dartiguelongue Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Andy Spencer
On 2011-03-29 17:10, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > You could start by pointing out some good examples of bad > descriptions. A few regular expressions might help with that: /:(\w+) - (Enable|Add) support for \1$/ /:(\w+) - (Enable|Add) \1( support)?$/ For example: app-admin/puppet:shadow - Enab

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from Angelo Arrifano's message of Tue Mar 29 17:14:48 +0200 2011: > On Ter, 2011-03-29 at 17:08 +0200, Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: > > I'm actually describing even global USE flags in my package's > > metadata.xml if their purpose might not be clear and I'd like to > > expect that from other

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Angelo Arrifano
On Ter, 2011-03-29 at 17:08 +0200, Amadeusz Żołnowski wrote: > Excerpts from justin's message of Tue Mar 29 16:24:57 +0200 2011: > > the descriptions of USE flags should explain what the USE is good for. > > In my opinion some thing like > > > > Enables foo intergration > > or > > Enables support

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:24:57 +0200 justin wrote: > if it isn't totally clear what "foo" is, sucks!! You could start by pointing out some good examples of bad descriptions. > So please enhance you descriptions!! And when you do, also remove all exclamation marks. Not all Gentoo users are used t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please enhance your USE descriptions!

2011-03-29 Thread Amadeusz Żołnowski
Excerpts from justin's message of Tue Mar 29 16:24:57 +0200 2011: > the descriptions of USE flags should explain what the USE is good for. > In my opinion some thing like > > Enables foo intergration > or > Enables support for foo > > if it isn't totally clear what "foo" is, sucks!! There are man