Re: [gentoo-dev]  Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-27 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On P, 2008-07-27 at 18:20 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2008-07-26 02:56:24 Mart Raudsepp napisał(a): > > On L, 2008-07-26 at 03:39 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > Fortunately, the majority of ebuilds/packages are honoring LDFLAGS. Of > > > course it's kinda difficult

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:45:29 -0500 Jeremy Olexa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > It will at least allow QA team to fix such bugs where patches are > > already available. > > So, if bugs are being fixed why is there a need to fix something that > isn't b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: It will at least allow QA team to fix such bugs where patches are already available. So, if bugs are being fixed why is there a need to fix something that isn't broken with regards to a policy _needed_ to enforce this action? Are bugs being ignored o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le dimanche 27 juillet 2008 à 02:12 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras a écrit : > Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed though. > Of course that's just me.) ahah ! now I have an example for you, nemiver. It seems it does the module loading thingy that was brought up in the rel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:00:55 +0200 Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Afaik it has always been the way that *sane* LDFLAGS are to be > respected, but exceptions exist of course and it's up to the > maintainer to mangle or clear your LDFLAGS, if deemed necessary. I'd > like to know, why Mar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-27 00:00:55 Carsten Lohrke napisał(a): > On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > Um, this already is the policy. We've always fixed bug reports about > > > LDFLAGS being ignored. > > > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 23:43:53 Gilles Dartiguelongue napisał(a): > Le samedi 26 juillet 2008 à 21:39 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar > Arahesis a écrit : > > 2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): > > > On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > Um, this already is the policy. We've always fixed bug reports about > > LDFLAGS being ignored. > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this > policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Why are you asking us? He's the QA lead, you should be talking with the > QA team about this. Such issues are not up to a self chosen group, but are topic for this list. Carsten signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le samedi 26 juillet 2008 à 21:39 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis a écrit : > 2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): > > On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this > > > polic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): > On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this > > policy > > doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored are > > usually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this policy > doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored are > usually fixed, so I ask for the formal enacting of this policy. Why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:54:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Respecting LDFLAGS provides also some some degree of optimization. It's a *very* small degree, and certainly nowhere near on the scale of the difference made by CFLAGS on some archs. If CFLAGS only

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 02:45:57 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:15:03 + (UTC) > Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In particular, --as-needed makes a HUGE very practical difference. > > It may or may not be the wrong answer to the problem in theory, but > > lacking anything even clo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 18:06:12 Ryan Hill napisał(a): > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:36:28 +0200 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should > > respect LDFLAGS. Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should > > be pat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-25 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On L, 2008-07-26 at 03:39 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Fortunately, the majority of ebuilds/packages are honoring LDFLAGS. Of > course it's kinda difficult to always check if a package honors it or > not. But it's a good idea to file a bug for every package that does not > honor it (witho

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:15:03 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In particular, --as-needed makes a HUGE very practical difference. > It may or may not be the wrong answer to the problem in theory, but > lacking anything even close to as workable right now, that alone is > IMO reason en