Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-21 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:07:06PM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > As I've said, a human uses the "amavis" account. I think this statement here needs a bit of expansion, and thus it more clarity happens. Your aforementioned human generally doesn't use the 'amavis' account in the same way that the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-21 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/21/20 6:44 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote: > > There is technically no real issue, but it's the right thing to do. > > Right, motivations for your proposal for allowing this: > > * You want it. > > Motivations against: > This is dishonest. "I want it" because it improves some things for our users,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-21 Thread Jaco Kroon
Hi Michael, My background:  21 years of Linux, 18 of which was primarily on Gentoo.  17 years of no other OS other than Linux.  Ex-sysadmin for a largish setup with 4000+ active users, and ~500-600 available workstations and a number of storage and other servers.  Not to brag, just to give you an

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 5:08 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > So I can describe in detail one example, but its not running Gentoo; so > I'm not sure if you care in practice. Yes, I'm happy to see a real example. > At work we had sec=krb5 NFS v3 mounted home directories. They were > mounted in /home (via the autom

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 6:20 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > >> install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home. > > > > Nope. As you've been told, /home is site specific and can

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 1:39 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > I'm going to be blunt. We arbitrarily made a decision that /home > belongs to sysadmin. Please respect that. If you really believe your > package is *this* special to justify changing this arbitrary decision, > the burden of proof lies on you. > Ok.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 10:20 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 9:50 AM, David Seifert wrote: > > Rich has given reasons, ulm has, and mgorny suggested a solution. > > > > Everyone's real intent on saying that there are problems without > actually typing what those problems are into the e

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 1:01 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > It's just awful to have a one user at second level (like /home/amavis) > when all others are at third level (like /home/staff/joe). > Finally an honest argument =) I agree. But all we're doing is choosing the default here. GLEP81 lets the user overr

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> Quoting FHS-3.0 again: >> >> | On large systems (especially when the /home directories are shared >> | amongst many hosts using NFS) it is useful to subdivide user home >> | directories. Subdivision

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 9:50 AM, David Seifert wrote: > > Rich has given reasons, ulm has, and mgorny suggested a solution. > Everyone's real intent on saying that there are problems without actually typing what those problems are into the email box. We're talking about a single keepdir file here. Please d

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread David Seifert
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 09:20 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under > > > /home. > > > > Nope. As you've been told, /home is site specifi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-20 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 1/20/20 2:02 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home. > > Nope. As you've been told, /home is site specific and can be setup in > multiple ways that are incompatible with the package m

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/2] allow acct-user home directories in /home

2020-01-19 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > install-qa-check.d: allow acct-user home directories under /home. Nope. As you've been told, /home is site specific and can be setup in multiple ways that are incompatible with the package manager installing things there (the only exception b