Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-22 Thread William Hubbs
All, after discussions with several devs on irc about this issue, the following change has been made in openrc-0.9.9 which was just released: The loopback interface provides lo and *NOT* net. All other network interfaces provide net. For the categories given, this means the following: On Mon, F

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:39:14AM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> On 07/02/12 03:28 AM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: >> > >> > If I want to connect to pool.ntp.org to sync the system clock, or >> > to my company's vpn gateway for telecommuti

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-07 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:39:14AM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 07/02/12 03:28 AM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > > > > If I want to connect to pool.ntp.org to sync the system clock, or > > to my company's vpn gateway for telecommuting, or to tor to encrypt > > my traffic, or to a dynamic dn

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-07 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/02/12 03:28 AM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > > If I want to connect to pool.ntp.org to sync the system clock, or > to my company's vpn gateway for telecommuting, or to tor to encrypt > my traffic, or to a dynamic dns provider to update my mac

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-07 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 00:43 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > My understanding of networking is that you can't have two interfaces > with ip addresses in the same subnet on the same computer. Correct? > > If that is the case, more than likely, the service you want to connect > to will be on one subnet

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-06 Thread William Hubbs
Hi again Alexander, another question for you. On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 06:15:13PM -0500, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > 1. Services that connect to remote machines via any available network > interface. > 2. Services that listen to connections from remote machines on any > available network interfac

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-06 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 19:41 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > > My counterproposal is to > > (a) fix init scripts for Category 2 so that instead of "use net" or > > "need net", they only "use net.lo" or "need net.lo"; and > > I think it would be better if I provided another service these scripts > co

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-06 Thread William Hubbs
Hi Alexander, On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 06:15:13PM -0500, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > I agree with the existence of the problem, but strongly disagree with > the solution. Actually you have sort of helped me nail down the problem more. The issue is that the "net" service is broken. I'll try to

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-06 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 15:04 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I've been pondering for a while why All of OpenRC's network interfaces > provide net. > > My understanding of the "net" service is that it is there to signal that > a generic network connection is active. > > What I would like to

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-06 Thread Zac Medico
On 02/06/2012 01:04 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I've been pondering for a while why All of OpenRC's network interfaces > provide net. > > My understanding of the "net" service is that it is there to signal that > a generic network connection is active. > > What I would like to do in Open

[gentoo-dev] rfc: only the loopback interface should provide net

2012-02-06 Thread William Hubbs
All, I've been pondering for a while why All of OpenRC's network interfaces provide net. My understanding of the "net" service is that it is there to signal that a generic network connection is active. What I would like to do in OpenRC is change the network scripts so that only the loopback inte