On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:14:57PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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> On 26/04/13 02:12 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 07:27:06PM +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher
> > Nguyễn wrote:
> >> William Hubbs schrieb:
> >>> if we keep
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On 26/04/13 02:12 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 07:27:06PM +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher
> Nguyễn wrote:
>> William Hubbs schrieb:
>>> if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something
>>> like IUSE="+oldnet", when we
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 07:27:06PM +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> William Hubbs schrieb:
> > if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like
> > IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they
> > do emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet.
William Hubbs schrieb:
> if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like
> IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they
> do emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet.
In my opinion USE flags should toggle dependencies only in
metapackages or rare exce
On 04/24/2013 06:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out into
> their own package separate from OpenRC so that they can be developed
> independently. I am looking at doing this for OpenRC 0.12, which I hope
> to release soon.
>
> This
Hi!
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013, William Hubbs wrote:
> The primary disadvantages of newnet are that services can't depend on a
> single network interface, and it is not possible to stop/start a single
> interface.
Which is why it doesn;t work for my not-exactly-complex,
not-exactly-simple setup (NFS an
On Thursday 25 April 2013 15:09:28 viv...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 04/24/13 21:17, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 09:00:17PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:16:06 -0500 William Hubbs wrote:
> >>> This means when you emerge or upgrade to openrc-0.12, the net.* s
On 04/24/13 21:17, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 09:00:17PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:16:06 -0500
>> William Hubbs wrote:
>>
>>> This means when you emerge or upgrade to openrc-0.12, the net.* scripts
>>> will no longer be included. I am going to call th
On Thursday 25 April 2013 14:27:39 G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
> When "gentoo-oldscripts" is pulled from openrc
>
> WHAT will be the default network configuration method?
the existing defaults will remain the same. we're just debating how to
guarantee that.
-mike
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
> I have just one question
>
> When "gentoo-oldscripts" is pulled from openrc
>
> WHAT will be the default network configuration method?
"gentoo-oldscripts"
The intent isn't to remove these scripts (unless for some reason you
don't wan
I have just one question
When "gentoo-oldscripts" is pulled from openrc
WHAT will be the default network configuration method?
Without the "standard" net scripts, many systems will break.
What is being given for network configuration?
NetworkManager? (yuck!)
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G.Wolfe Woodbury
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On Wednesday 24 April 2013 19:17:01 William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
> > > Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't
> > > need to rehash here), it seems
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:13:56 +
Carlos Silva wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Rich Freeman
> wrote:
>
> > It it isn't necessary for a system to have support for either
> > oldnet or newnet. Sure, it is rare these days, but networking
> > support should be a default, not a requiremen
Carlos Silva wrote:
> > > Care to explain how will the installation be done if "networking"
> > > isn't requirement?
> >
> > I build a stage4 tarball on a build host, and unpack that tarball
> > onto the media that I want to run the target system on.
>
> And from where comes this build host exactl
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Carlos Silva wrote:
> > Care to explain how will the installation be done if "networking"
> > isn't requirement?
>
> I build a stage4 tarball on a build host, and unpack that tarball
> onto the media that I want to run the target system on.
>
Carlos Silva wrote:
> Care to explain how will the installation be done if "networking"
> isn't requirement?
I build a stage4 tarball on a build host, and unpack that tarball
onto the media that I want to run the target system on.
That's just one way. The point is that nothing fundamentally requi
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
> wrote:
> > Hey, all!
> >
> > Just one question: why do you all talking about IUSE=+oldnet, but not
> > REQUIRED_USE="^^ ( net oldnet )" for example?
>
> It it isn't necessary for
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
wrote:
> Hey, all!
>
> Just one question: why do you all talking about IUSE=+oldnet, but not
> REQUIRED_USE="^^ ( net oldnet )" for example?
It it isn't necessary for a system to have support for either oldnet
or newnet. Sure, it is rar
Hey, all!
Just one question: why do you all talking about IUSE=+oldnet, but not
REQUIRED_USE="^^ ( net oldnet )" for example?
24.04.2013 23:16, William Hubbs пишет:
> All,
>
> it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out into
> their own package separate from OpenRC so that
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 08:13:23PM -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> > > > On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> > > On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > > it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be s
On 04/24/2013 06:39 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 24/04/13 09:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 07:32:44PM -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
>> wrote:
>>> On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
This would actually be cleaner than a bogus dependency in
Open
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On 24/04/13 09:10 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 07:32:44PM -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
> wrote:
>> On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
>>>
>>> This would actually be cleaner than a bogus dependency in
>>> OpenRC. I
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 07:32:44PM -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
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> On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman
How about someone decide which is the best version and keep it integrated
in OpenRC? There's no best version? diff the two of them and merge what
matters. I mean, how many distros do you know that have two sets of init
scripts *just* to configure networking? I know Gentoo is about choice, but
this
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On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
>>
>>> Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't
>>
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
>
> > Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't
> > need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking
> > support by default. I'
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
> Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't
> need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking
> support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of the system set,
> though that would be co
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On 24/04/13 11:46 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:54:07 William Hubbs wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:34:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote:
The issue is t
On 24/04/2013 18:01, William Hubbs wrote:
> robbat2 is the one who made the request. He wants to do a couple of
> things:
>
> 1) he wants to be able to have independent oldnet releases so he can get
> more features into the oldnet scripts and have his own development
> cycle.
>
> 2) He is also in
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 09:00:17PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:16:06 -0500
> William Hubbs wrote:
>
> > This means when you emerge or upgrade to openrc-0.12, the net.* scripts
> > will no longer be included. I am going to call the separate package that
> > includes these s
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:16:06 -0500
William Hubbs wrote:
> This means when you emerge or upgrade to openrc-0.12, the net.* scripts
> will no longer be included. I am going to call the separate package that
> includes these scripts gentoo-oldnet.
Aside all the other, please don't name it like this
On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:54:07 William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:34:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote:
> > > The issue is that OpenRC does not have any kind of dependency on
> > > gentoo-oldnet at all. There will be
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like
> > IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do
> > emerge --depclean before they emerg
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like
> IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do
> emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet.
>
> Also, (although I don't really care about this mu
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:34:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> > > On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > > it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet script
On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> > On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out
> > > into their own package separate from OpenRC so that
On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:01:39 William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:45:04PM +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > Please don't do this. It sounds to me like a stupid move, what are you
> > trying to accomplish? You already use Git/GitHub...
> > Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> > fl
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:58:21PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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> On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out
> > into their own package separate from OpenRC so
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 05:45:04PM +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> Please don't do this. It sounds to me like a stupid move, what are you
> trying to accomplish? You already use Git/GitHub...
> Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
>
robbat2 is the
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On 24/04/13 12:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out
> into their own package separate from OpenRC so that they can be
> developed independently. I am looking at doing this for OpenRC
Please don't do this. It sounds to me like a stupid move, what are you
trying to accomplish? You already use Git/GitHub...
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> it has been suggested that
All,
it has been suggested that gentoo's oldnet scripts be split out into
their own package separate from OpenRC so that they can be developed
independently. I am looking at doing this for OpenRC 0.12, which I hope
to release soon.
This means when you emerge or upgrade to openrc-0.12, the net.* s
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