Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-07 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/06/2014 08:41, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Friday 05 September 2014 12:34:11 William Hubbs wrote: >> All, >> >> there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the >> system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has >> become just adding iproute2. > > I

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-06 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > > I'm not sure we can get rid of python2 and have only python3, but if that's > possible, absolutely punt it! The bloat I'm talking about includes size, > but more importantly, I'm concerned about cpu time. When building on a minor > arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-06 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > And by the same reasoning of "bloat" we should remove openssh ( and maybe even > rsync ;) ) because it's not strictly needed - so maybe we want a "minimal" and > a "useful" stage3 ? I could care less what is in the stage3, which only affect

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-06 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/06/14 08:41, Patrick Lauer wrote: On Friday 05 September 2014 12:34:11 William Hubbs wrote: All, there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has become just adding iproute2. I wouldn't mind eithe

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-06 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Friday 05 September 2014 12:34:11 William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the > system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has > become just adding iproute2. I wouldn't mind either option - net-tools has been dep

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Even better, @system is basically stuff you don't want to depend > explicitly on or on which it is hard to depend on. As I see it, it > should be just the most basic stuff, like baselayout, shell, some basic > POSIX-defined utilities, some rand

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/05/14 17:20, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-09-05, o godz. 16:30:43 "Anthony G. Basile" napisał(a): On 09/05/14 16:08, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-09-05, o godz. 12:34:11 William Hubbs napisał(a): there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the system set [1]. Or

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-05, o godz. 16:30:43 "Anthony G. Basile" napisał(a): > On 09/05/14 16:08, Michał Górny wrote: > > Dnia 2014-09-05, o godz. 12:34:11 > > William Hubbs napisał(a): > > > >> there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the > >> system set [1]. Originally the request

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > I don't like to say no when people want something, but I think here I'm with > Michal. My idea of @system is that it must be the bare minimum to have a > "working" system. And for a working system you need just enough toolchain, > netwo

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 09/05/14 16:08, Michał Górny wrote: >> >> Dnia 2014-09-05, o godz. 12:34:11 >> William Hubbs napisał(a): >> >>> there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the >>> system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/05/14 16:08, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-09-05, o godz. 12:34:11 William Hubbs napisał(a): there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has become just adding iproute2. If no one objects, I wou

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-05, o godz. 12:34:11 William Hubbs napisał(a): > there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the > system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has > become just adding iproute2. > > If no one objects, I would like to do this sometime in t

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Jauhien Piatlicki
05.09.14 21:21, Wyatt Epp написав(ла): > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Alex Xu wrote: >> >> no, because it's not necessary to bring up a working system. we don't >> have wpa_supplicant, and we shouldn't have net-tools now that openrc >> isn't in @system anymore. >> > Well, your definition of "wo

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Alex Xu wrote: > > no, because it's not necessary to bring up a working system. we don't > have wpa_supplicant, and we shouldn't have net-tools now that openrc > isn't in @system anymore. > Well, your definition of "working" seems quite a bit narrower than mine! Mo

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Alex Xu wrote: > On 05/09/14 01:34 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> All, >> >> there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the >> system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has >> become just adding iproute2. >> >> If no one

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread Alex Xu
On 05/09/14 01:34 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the > system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has > become just adding iproute2. > > If no one objects, I would like to do this sometime in the next 7

[gentoo-dev] rfc: adding sys-apps/iproute2 to the @system set

2014-09-05 Thread William Hubbs
All, there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has become just adding iproute2. If no one objects, I would like to do this sometime in the next 72 hours by adding sys-apps/iproute2 to profiles/default/l