Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 11:03 Thu 26 Sep , JD Horelick wrote: > My only issue here is that I feel like we should give users a bit longer > than one month (34 days, close enough) to make this change. In some cases, > it may require a large, architectural change which may take a while to be > engineered and organized

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:03 AM, JD Horelick wrote: > My only issue here is that I feel like we should give users a bit longer > than one month (34 days, close enough) to make this change. In some cases, > it may require a large, architectural change which may take a while to be > engineered and

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread William Hubbs
All, I missed a message on this thread some how, thanks to tomwij for pointing this out. Here is the final version of the news item. Let me know if you have any issues. Otherwise this will be pushed on 27-Sep. Thanks, William Title: Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs Author: William Hu

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-26 Thread William Hubbs
This should be the final version of the news item. If no one has any issues, I will push it on 27-Sep utc. Thanks, William Title: Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs Author: William Hubbs Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2013-09-27 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Due to many upstream c

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:37:34 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 PM, William Hubbs > wrote: > > It seems a bit long to me, but I'm not sure how to make it any > > shorter if we include the information about why this is happening. > > I would use the newspaper article approa

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > It seems a bit long to me, but I'm not sure how to make it any shorter > if we include the information about why this is happening. I would use the newspaper article approach - put the most important and actionable material at the top, and s

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 03:19:00PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 25/09/13 03:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > Due to many upstream changes, properly supporting Linux systems > > that have /usr missing at boot time has become increasingly >

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 03:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > Due to many upstream changes, properly supporting Linux systems > that have /usr missing at boot time has become increasingly > difficult. Despite all our efforts, it already breaks in some > exotic config

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread William Hubbs
All, here is my latest update, again based on feedback from the list. It seems a bit long to me, but I'm not sure how to make it any shorter if we include the information about why this is happening. Thoughts? William Title: Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs Author: William Hubbs Conte

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Sven Eden
Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:39:20 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius: > On 25/09/13 11:27 AM, Sven Eden wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian > > > > Stakenvicius: > >> On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius > >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 11:27 AM, Sven Eden wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian > Stakenvicius: >> On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius >>> >>> >>> wrote: William, I th

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Sven Eden
Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius: > On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius > > > > wrote: > >> William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks > >> a one-sentence answering the "Why" would

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/09/2013 16:51, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks a >> one-sentence answering the "Why" would be a good idea to have in the >> news item, so users that don't have a clue on all of

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius > wrote: >> William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks >> a one-sentence answering the "Why" would be a good idea to have >> in the n

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks a > one-sentence answering the "Why" would be a good idea to have in the > news item, so users that don't have a clue on all of these sep-/usr > issues will get an idea of wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 William Hubbs schrieb: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> Makes me wonder if the "Why?" question should be left unanswered; >> I'm also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the >> actual problem be summa

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > >> >> What about busybox[sep-usr]? Is that still supported or is everyone with >> separate /usr forced to use an initramfs? > > I'd say it's supported as long as it gives a compatible end result. > I suspect that the number of cases supported

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 10:06:43 Thomas Sachau napisał(a): > William Hubbs schrieb: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: > >> Makes me wonder if the "Why?" question should be left unanswered; I'm > >> also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the actua

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 25/09/13 11:06, Thomas Sachau wrote: William Hubbs schrieb: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: Makes me wonder if the "Why?" question should be left unanswered; I'm also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the actual problem be summarized in one sho

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Sachau
William Hubbs schrieb: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> Makes me wonder if the "Why?" question should be left unanswered; I'm >> also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the actual >> problem be summarized in one short clear sentence at all? > > I

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: > Makes me wonder if the "Why?" question should be left unanswered; I'm > also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the actual > problem be summarized in one short clear sentence at all? I will try, but not in this thread

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:57:22 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > > Then go on like: > > > > This decision has been taken because of [problem]; you can read > > more about that in [article/mail references]." > > -- > > I wouldn't go too much into the why. I'd focus on the what and in > particul

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > So, something along the lines of: > > Linux systems with /usr on a separate file system that do not use > an initramfs will become unsupported, starting on 01-Nov-2013. > ++ > Then go on like: > > This decision has been taken beca

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-24 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:43:22 -0500 William Hubbs wrote: > Title: Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs > Author: William Hubbs > Content-Type: text/plain > Posted: 2013-09-27 > Revision: 1 > News-Item-Format: 1.0 > > In the meeting on 24-Sep-2013, the Gentoo Council agreed that all > prepar

[gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-24 Thread William Hubbs
All, In the meeting today (24-Sep-2013), the council agreed that all preparations for dropping support for Linux systems with /usr on a separate file system that do not use an initramfs are complete. I am submitting this news item for review, and I plan to commit it on 2013-09-27 if there are no