Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Alec Warner
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:35, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Too many people using -* (due to auto flags) so that will break for most of them. So we have the three things we should deprecate in a single thread: a) no* flags b) auto flags c) -* and - for all arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:35, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Too many people using -* (due to auto flags) so that will break for most of > them. So we have the three things we should deprecate in a single thread: a) no* flags b) auto flags c) -* and - for all architectures in one ebuild.

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: | On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 12:17 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |>Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based on requirement, common use |>and prettiness factor. Probably font-misc-misc, font-bh-ttf, |>font-adobe-utopia-type1 and ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Alec Joseph Warner
Dan Armak wrote: On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:48, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To solve this issue it would have t

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 23:06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based on requirement, common use > > and prettiness factor. Probably font-misc-misc, font-bh-ttf, > > font-adobe-utopia-type1 and maybe some others that are brought to my > > attention. > > Nnn!

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 21:48 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an o

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 12:17 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > |>See > |>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto.txt. > | > | That file says there won't be any x11-related virtuals anymore. Are > you sure > | no package uses it in the sense of 'any X server' instead of 'an

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Armak wrote: | Your mua or some gateway has inserted really ugly linebreaks in the text you | quoted. I tried to make it prettier. | | On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |>Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based on requir

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: | On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:42, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | |>I think you're missing the context. He's saying we solve the nofoo |>problem by adding foo to profiles instead, not by adding nofoo. | | Exactly | | Add f

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Mike Owen
On 10/20/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Add foo to profiles, users sets -* to remove the use.defaults flags, then the > user has no foo :) > Which is exactly as it should be. If someone is going to use -*, then they should learn to live with the consequences. Even I, as

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:42, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I think you're missing the context. He's saying we solve the nofoo > problem by adding foo to profiles instead, not by adding nofoo. Exactly Add foo to profiles, users sets -* to remove the use.defaults flags, then the user has no foo :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 20 October 2005 03:42 pm, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I think you're missing the context. He's saying we solve the nofoo > problem by adding foo to profiles instead, not by adding nofoo. but you seem to be missing what Diego is saying even if we put 'cxx' into all profiles, people who pu

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:48, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an o

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:35:39 +0200 "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:25, Dan Armak wrote: | > True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE | > flags this way? Or is the (remaining) problem only with local flags? | Too many pe

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
Your mua or some gateway has inserted really ugly linebreaks in the text you quoted. I tried to make it prettier. On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I'm not aware of any. The only similar thing I'm aware of is a few > incredibly broken packages that require Xvfb at build

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e. > > > 'noxserver'. I know some people are

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 20/10/2005 21:16:47, Dan Armak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e. > > > 'noxserver'. I know some people are

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: | On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:25, Dan Armak wrote: | |>True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags this |>way? Or is the (remaining) problem only with local flags? | | Too many people usin

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:25, Dan Armak wrote: > True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags this > way? Or is the (remaining) problem only with local flags? Too many people using -* (due to auto flags) so that will break for most of them. It's one of the reasons we

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Armak wrote: | On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:43, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |>Or, you could just activate it in the base profile. | | True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags this | way? Or is the (remaining) problem onl

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:43, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > - gpg control packet > > Dan Armak wrote: > | On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:28, Luca Barbato wrote: > |>a useflag could solve the issue as well a all inclusive metaebuild for X. > | > | To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-def

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Armak wrote: | On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:37, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | |>I'd prefer that people don't come to depend on metabuilds at all. | | OK, we can do this. | | |>See |>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:58, Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e. > > 'noxserver'. I know some people are strongly against nofoo flags. > > What about an off-by-default 'xser

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:37, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I'd prefer that people don't come to depend on metabuilds at all. OK, we can do this. > See > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/porting_to_modular_x_howto.txt. That file says there won't be any x11-related virtuals anymore. Are

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Matthijs van der Vleuten
On 10/20/05, Dan Armak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e. > 'noxserver'. I know some people are strongly against nofoo flags. What about an off-by-default 'xserver' flag? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Armak wrote: | On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:28, Luca Barbato wrote: |>a useflag could solve the issue as well a all inclusive metaebuild for X. | | To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e. | 'noxserver'. I know some pe

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Armak wrote: | On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote: | |>Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on |>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in |>particular from people on the GNOME

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Armak wrote: | KDE doesn't have any special requirements. It doesn't use any kind of X11 | build tool (what is there other than imake?). It does use some X apps like | xmessage, xset etc. After you commit your metaebuilds we'll update the deps | a

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in > particular from people on the GNOME and KDE teams. Don't forget a new virtual/x11-libs. And we'll need

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Ben Skeggs
Am Donnerstag, den 20.10.2005, 16:28 +0100 schrieb Herbie Hopkins: > On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 01:46 +1100, Ben Skeggs wrote: > > The only issue I've encountered so far is that XKB appears to be > > completely broken for me. I can't quite track down why at this stage. > > bug 109926 > Thanks! That

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:28, Luca Barbato wrote: > Dan Armak wrote: > > On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the > > other WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is > > unnecessar

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:23, Mike Williams wrote: > On Thursday 20 October 2005 14:26, Dan Armak wrote: > > To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the > > other WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is > > unnecessary. Opinions? How can we ed

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Luca Barbato
Dan Armak wrote: On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote: To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the other WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is unnecessary. Opinions? How can we educate the users to manually 'emerge xorg-x

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Herbie Hopkins
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 01:46 +1100, Ben Skeggs wrote: > The only issue I've encountered so far is that XKB appears to be > completely broken for me. I can't quite track down why at this stage. bug 109926 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Mike Williams
On Thursday 20 October 2005 14:26, Dan Armak wrote: > To keep the current behaviour, the kde metaebuild (and gnome and the other > WMs) would have to depend on xorg-x11, which strictly speaking is > unnecessary. Opinions? How can we educate the users to manually 'emerge > xorg-x11'? Personally I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Ben Skeggs
Am Donnerstag, den 20.10.2005, 00:11 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: > Thanks to the dedicated work of Joshua Baergen and me, you've got just > what you asked for -- newer X than even money can buy. Pound on it, test > it, break it, and file bugs. Let us know how it works. > I had some issues updat

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2005-20-10 at 15:26 +0200, Dan Armak wrote: > On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in > > particular from people on the GNOME and KDE t

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Dan Armak
On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in > particular from people on the GNOME and KDE teams. KDE doesn't have any special requirements. It doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 00:11 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And > fitting the Gentoo you know as up to the minute, so far beyond the > bleeding edge that it's wearing a Band-Aid befo

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Simon Strandman
Donnie Berkholz skrev: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And fitting the Gentoo you know as up to the minute, so far beyond the bleeding edge that it's wearing a Band-Aid before it starts to bleed, comes the complete pa

[gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And fitting the Gentoo you know as up to the minute, so far beyond the bleeding edge that it's wearing a Band-Aid before it starts to bleed, comes the complete package in Portage -- all 2