Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-16 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Tobias Klausmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > People who use Sunrise as an overlay and then come whining to bgo > about their failed ebuild can be told. ACK. Sunrise and main Gentoo should have strictly separate Bugzillas (or at least separate products). BTW: my suggested bug reporting t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-03 Thread foser
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 12:00 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: > So you can create projects by creating a directory in > gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en, you don't have to announce it (but it's > polite to do so), and it may well conflict with other projects, that's okay. > > You can't blame them for followin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-03 Thread foser
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 16:05 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > 2. [...] Therefore I do not believe that QA for a tree that is as > > extensive as Sunrise done by a few 'official' developers amounts to > > much real world quality. > > I would expect that over time, the Sunrise developers will learn m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:55:44PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:07:31 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | One could argue that since the metastructure policy was approved more > | recently, anything in it that contradicts previous rules takes > | prece

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:07:31 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | One could argue that since the metastructure policy was approved more | recently, anything in it that contradicts previous rules takes | precedence. "Freedom to make new projects anytime" beats "must use | GLEP for si

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:00:56 +0200 Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | So you can create projects by creating a directory in | gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en, you don't have to announce it (but it's | polite to do so), and it may well conflict with other projects, | that's okay. | | You can't b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
foser wrote: > I checked back on the initial announcement, where it Sunrise was made > public as an official Gentoo project without any prior discussion. The > announcement actually stated 'This is an announcement - No flamewars > allowed'. I guess the creators were already aware of the feelings o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-01 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:25:20 +0200 foser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > 1. Stale ebuilds are often stale for a reason, there is obviously not > enough interest to add and maintain them. Not just on the developer > side, but also on the user side. If someone really cared enough > he/she would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-01 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On 8/1/06, Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: # emerge --submit-info * sys-apps/portage generates emerge --info output and uploads it relatively tamper-proof to tickets.g.o, and * returns a ticket to the user, a unique number that he or she can communicate to developers and active users

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-01 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Tue, 01 Aug 2006, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:21:53 +0200 > > Idea: should it be more obvious in emerge --info and ebuild > > failure that an overlay is involved? If it's obvious enough, > > I don't see a problem. Also, a command that lists all > > installed packages that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-01 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:21:53 +0200 Tobias Klausmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Idea: should it be more obvious in emerge --info and ebuild > failure that an overlay is involved? If it's obvious enough, I > don't see a problem. Also, a command that lists all installed > packages that come from an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-01 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! I'm not a dev (just someone donating 10GB of traffic per day from his private server to Gentoo), but that's exactly why I think I need to chime in. On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, foser wrote: > 1. Stale ebuilds are often stale for a reason, there is > obviously not enough interest to add and maintain

[gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-07-31 Thread foser
Hello, since I've not really been involved in the whole Sunrise discussion I'd like to give my view in a condensed form, instead of spreading it out over 20 replies in the ongoing discussion. Also I hope to summarize the main points a bit, but I know this mail is far from objective and as such not