Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread Andreas K . Hüttel
Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2021, 14:26:32 EET schrieb Joonas Niilola: > # Now my question is, does anyone find any of these packages useful? > Should we go ahead and last-rite them, since it doesn't seem useful to > carry these in Gentoo? The ones broken are heading towards last-riting > nevertheless.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread Andreas Sturmlechner
On Freitag, 8. Januar 2021 13:26:32 CET Joonas Niilola wrote: > # So the final list of "useless" libs is: > dev-libs/atcore This has IUSE="gui", EAPI=7 and kde proj as maintainer. Please keep. Regards signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread Joonas Niilola
On 1/8/21 5:42 PM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder how you composed this list. If you just checked if there is > any revdep, the check was probably useless: > > For example, > >> dev-libs/cyberjack > > is up-to-date, has an active dev as maintainer and is required for any > ReinerSCT

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread Matt Turner
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 7:27 AM Joonas Niilola wrote: > dev-libs/clhpp We want to keep this, though I admit I don't recall why nothing depends on it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread Thomas Deutschmann
Hi, please forget my previous mail. I was informed that I misread your mail, sorry about that! -- Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer fpr: C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread Thomas Deutschmann
Hi, I wonder how you composed this list. If you just checked if there is any revdep, the check was probably useless: For example, dev-libs/cyberjack is up-to-date, has an active dev as maintainer and is required for any ReinerSCT chipcard reader. -- Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 14:26:32 +0200 Joonas Niilola wrote: > dev-libs/libgcrypt-compat > dev-libs/libpcre-debian These are maintained by me and I'd like to keep them. They can be pulled in by running the esteam tool in steam-overlay for games that need them. They could potentially be used for other

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Trying to locate and remove unused dev- & media-libs?

2021-01-08 Thread Joonas Niilola
# With the help of jkroon I went through all dev-libs/* and media-libs/* packages and located each one without reverse deps, # List of dev-libs/* and media-libs/* without any revdeps: dev-libs/atcore dev-libs/bcm2835 dev-libs/bemenu dev-libs/bitset dev-libs/boost-mpl-cartesian_product dev-libs/cali

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion about how to tell ATs that a package can be stabilized on all arches at the same time

2015-02-11 Thread Michał Górny
Pacho Ramos napisał: >El mié, 11-02-2015 a las 09:22 +0100, Jeroen Roovers escribió: >> On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:17:19 +0100 >> Pacho Ramos wrote: >> >> > Many times has raised the question about how we could handle those >> > packages (like icon packs, wallpapers...) that are not arch >depende

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion about how to tell ATs that a package can be stabilized on all arches at the same time

2015-02-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:53:39 -0500 Brian Evans wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 02/08/2015 05:17 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Hello > > > > Many times has raised the question about how we could handle those > > packages (like icon packs, wallpapers...) that are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion about how to tell ATs that a package can be stabilized on all arches at the same time

2015-02-11 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 11-02-2015 a las 09:22 +0100, Jeroen Roovers escribió: > On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:17:19 +0100 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > Many times has raised the question about how we could handle those > > packages (like icon packs, wallpapers...) that are not arch dependent > > and, then, could be stabi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion about how to tell ATs that a package can be stabilized on all arches at the same time

2015-02-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:17:19 +0100 Pacho Ramos wrote: > Many times has raised the question about how we could handle those > packages (like icon packs, wallpapers...) that are not arch dependent > and, then, could be stabilized all at the same time by the first arch > team that is going to stabil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion about how to tell ATs that a package can be stabilized on all arches at the same time

2015-02-08 Thread Brian Evans
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/08/2015 05:17 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Hello > > Many times has raised the question about how we could handle those > packages (like icon packs, wallpapers...) that are not arch > dependent and, then, could be stabilized all at the same time

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion about how to tell ATs that a package can be stabilized on all arches at the same time

2015-02-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello Many times has raised the question about how we could handle those packages (like icon packs, wallpapers...) that are not arch dependent and, then, could be stabilized all at the same time by the first arch team that is going to stabilize it. Some months ago it was suggested that this packa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-10 Thread Sergey Popov
08.11.2013 09:04, Johann Schmitz пишет: > On 07.11.2013 21:18, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Seriously, though, I'd love to see these needs better supported. >> I think we need to start by defining what the needs actually are >> (less redundancy, more consistency, etc). Then we figure out how >> to best

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-08 Thread heroxbd
Johann Schmitz writes: > Is it possible to run, say, mips on xen/whatever through some > emulation layer or is real hardware a requirement for this archs? Yes, via qemu. But very slow, nearly unusable even on a powerful mainstream amd64 server.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Johann Schmitz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07.11.2013 21:18, Rich Freeman wrote: > Seriously, though, I'd love to see these needs better supported. > I think we need to start by defining what the needs actually are > (less redundancy, more consistency, etc). Then we figure out how > to best

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Matthew Thode
On 11/07/2013 03:07 PM, Denis M. wrote: > On 11/07/2013 09:18 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Denis M. wrote: >>> On 11/07/2013 08:59 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: iirc, we give $200 if infra for developer accounts for a couple of months. If a deal is struck it wou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/11/13 09:20 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Denis M. wrote: >> Almost every Gentoo dev that does software testings of some sorts >> could benefit from these "build farms" (although I'd refrain from >> using that term

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Denis M.
On 11/07/2013 09:18 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Denis M. wrote: >> On 11/07/2013 08:59 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >>> iirc, we give $200 if infra for developer accounts for a couple of >>> months. If a deal is struck it would likely be more and forever or >>> something

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Denis M. wrote: > On 11/07/2013 08:59 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >> iirc, we give $200 if infra for developer accounts for a couple of >> months. If a deal is struck it would likely be more and forever or >> something. > > I've been running my VM for Ago for 13 month

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Denis M.
On 11/07/2013 08:59 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > On 11/07/2013 12:26 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 11/07/2013 02:48 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >>> Rackspace (where I work) currently has a developer discount program. I >>> think we also host some open source stuff for various projects. Right >>> no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Matthew Thode
On 11/07/2013 12:26 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 11/07/2013 02:48 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >> Rackspace (where I work) currently has a developer discount program. I >> think we also host some open source stuff for various projects. Right >> now you can try to use http://developer.rackspace.com

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Markos Chandras
On 11/07/2013 02:48 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: > Rackspace (where I work) currently has a developer discount program. I > think we also host some open source stuff for various projects. Right > now you can try to use http://developer.rackspace.com/ but if we want to > make this more official I can

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Matthew Thode
Rackspace (where I work) currently has a developer discount program. I think we also host some open source stuff for various projects. Right now you can try to use http://developer.rackspace.com/ but if we want to make this more official I can ask around. Let me know if we want this as a more of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Denis M. wrote: > Almost every Gentoo dev that does software testings of some sorts could > benefit from these "build farms" (although I'd refrain from using that > term ;) ..). Don't let me put a damper on your plans as-is, but I'd be interested if developers who

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread Denis M.
On 11/07/2013 12:53 PM, hero...@gentoo.org wrote: > Dear Denis, Hi Benda, > > "Denis M." writes: > >> Please review this, and if you agree that it'd be a good idea come >> with any suggestions to make it happen as well as with any other >> thoughts/sys-specs/instances we should be looking for. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-07 Thread heroxbd
Dear Denis, "Denis M." writes: > Please review this, and if you agree that it'd be a good idea come > with any suggestions to make it happen as well as with any other > thoughts/sys-specs/instances we should be looking for. Thanks for the offering. Though not a member, AT teams might benefit fr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-06 Thread Denis M.
On 11/07/2013 12:37 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 7. November 2013, 00:18:19 schrieb Denis M.: >> Hello gentoo-dev@, >> >> Starting with a little intro, I'm currently providing a Gentoo VM to a >> gentoo dev (Agostino Sarubbo (ago)) for the purpose of >> testing/stabilizing/keyword

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-06 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Donnerstag, 7. November 2013, 00:18:19 schrieb Denis M.: > Hello gentoo-dev@, > > Starting with a little intro, I'm currently providing a Gentoo VM to a > gentoo dev (Agostino Sarubbo (ago)) for the purpose of > testing/stabilizing/keywording packages, which is part of his task as a > developer

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources

2013-11-06 Thread Denis M.
Hello gentoo-dev@, Starting with a little intro, I'm currently providing a Gentoo VM to a gentoo dev (Agostino Sarubbo (ago)) for the purpose of testing/stabilizing/keywording packages, which is part of his task as a developer and being part of the AT team. I've been running the VM for him for a c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop "pcre" from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 14:53 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: > On Wednesday 06 June 2012 14:06:47 Pacho Ramos wrote: > > The problem is that grep keeps linked against libpcre and it can cause > > problems like pointed in referred bug report, and it's really risky as > > people can have their port

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop "pcre" from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 06 June 2012 14:06:47 Pacho Ramos wrote: > The problem is that grep keeps linked against libpcre and it can cause > problems like pointed in referred bug report, and it's really risky as > people can have their portage completely broken for example when libpcre > is downgraded for some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop "pcre" from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 13:23 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: > On Wednesday 06 June 2012 04:26:11 Pacho Ramos wrote: > > I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre > > support by default, specially after reading "man grep" and seeing that > > its support is tagged as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop "pcre" from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 06 June 2012 04:26:11 Pacho Ramos wrote: > I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre > support by default, specially after reading "man grep" and seeing that > its support is tagged as experimental: >-P, --perl-regexp > Interpret PAT

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop "pcre" from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 10:37 +0200, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." escribió: > On 6/6/12 10:26 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > After reading: > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419795 > > > > I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre > > support by default, specially afte

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop "pcre" from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 6/6/12 10:26 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > After reading: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419795 > > I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre > support by default, specially after reading "man grep" and seeing that > its support is tagged as experimental: T

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop "pcre" from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
After reading: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419795 I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre support by default, specially after reading "man grep" and seeing that its support is tagged as experimental: -P, --perl-regexp Interpret PATT

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-18 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/17/2011 01:59 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:33:51 PM Zac Medico wrote: >> If those LVM volumes require userspace tools to mount, then I think it's >> perfectly reasonable to expect them to use either an initramfs or a >> simple linuxrc approach [1] to ensure that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-17 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:33:51 PM Zac Medico wrote: > On 10/16/2011 06:07 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > >> I don't think it's a good idea for Gentoo to encourage users to have > >> /usr on a separate partition. We should probably remove the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-16 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/16/2011 06:07 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: >> >> I don't think it's a good idea for Gentoo to encourage users to have >> /usr on a separate partition. We should probably remove the separate >> /usr partition from "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-16 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Hi all > > Recently, there was a firestorm on the gentoo-user list over the idea > that udev would eventually require /usr to be on the same physical > parition as /, or else use initramfs, which is its own can of worms. I'm > not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-16 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > > I don't think it's a good idea for Gentoo to encourage users to have > /usr on a separate partition. We should probably remove the separate > /usr partition from "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem usage example" in our > handbook: > > http://www.ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/15/2011 01:57 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > On 15.10.2011 10:42, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: >> in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans? > > We don't support /usr on a separate partition. People can, of course, do > that and I'll point them to dracut for creating an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 09:29:54 AM Michał Górny wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:06:03 -0400 > > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:14:31AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote > > > > > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to > > > make a compelling platfor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 15 October 2011 03:29:54 Michał Górny wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:06:03 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:14:31AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote > > > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to > > > make a compelling platform that "just wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: >> On 15.10.2011 10:42, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: >>> in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans? >> >> We don't support /usr on a separate partition. Pe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > On 15.10.2011 10:42, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: >> in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans? > > We don't support /usr on a separate partition. People can, of course, do > that and I'll point them to dracut for cr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
On 15.10.2011 10:42, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans? We don't support /usr on a separate partition. People can, of course, do that and I'll point them to dracut for creating an initramfs. Or they can do whatever works for them. Peo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Sorry for being completely OT now, will be the only mail on this from my side... On Thursday, 13. October 2011 18:05:47 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:14:31 -0400 > > Olivier Crête wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 18:49 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:49:19 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop > > trying to impose your workflow on the rest of the world. > > Isn't the point here that the desktop / GN

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-15 Thread Michał Górny
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:06:03 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:14:31AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote > > > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to > > make a compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to tell > > the computer something the co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-14 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:14:31AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to make a > compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to tell the > computer something the computer already knows is just plain lazy and > stupid. Eventually,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-14 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:12:52AM -0400, Thomas Kahle wrote > >> https://www.xkcd.com/963/ > >  Xorg --configure Funny, I haven't used a /etc/X11/Xorg.conf in years: negra ~ # ll /etc/X11/ total 20 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 12 17:49 ap

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-14 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:12:52AM -0400, Thomas Kahle wrote > https://www.xkcd.com/963/ Xorg --configure -- Walter Dnes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 13 October 2011 14:55:45 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 13 October 2011 12:30:06 Arun Raghavan wrote: > >> While I've seen a lot of whining about this whole issue, I certainly > >> haven't been seen any effort to actu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Thursday 13 October 2011 12:30:06 Arun Raghavan wrote: >>> While I've seen a lot of whining about this whole issue, I certainly >>> haven't been seen any effort to actually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 13 October 2011 12:30:06 Arun Raghavan wrote: >> While I've seen a lot of whining about this whole issue, I certainly >> haven't been seen any effort to actually solve the problem within the >> existing framework. For example, i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 10/13/2011 08:02 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 13 October 2011 12:30:06 Arun Raghavan wrote: >> While I've seen a lot of whining about this whole issue, I certainly >> haven't been seen any effort to actually solve the problem within the >> existing framework. For example, if someone c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:14:31 -0400 Olivier Crête wrote: > On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 18:49 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530 > > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > > Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop > > > trying to impose your workflow on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 13 October 2011 12:30:06 Arun Raghavan wrote: > While I've seen a lot of whining about this whole issue, I certainly > haven't been seen any effort to actually solve the problem within the > existing framework. For example, if someone cares enough, why not > write a wrapper script to tr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 13 October 2011 20:58, Rich Freeman wrote: > 2011/10/13 Olivier Crête : >> We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to make a >> compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to tell the >> computer something the computer already knows is just plain lazy and >> stupi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 13 October 2011 11:17:07 Olivier Crête wrote: > That said, we, the GNOME upstream, think that having a separate /usr is > a completely stupid idea. considering GNOME's track record wrt what they think is a "good idea" in the UI land, i'm not sure this statement is terribly compelling

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Rich Freeman
2011/10/13 Olivier Crête : > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to make a > compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to tell the > computer something the computer already knows is just plain lazy and > stupid. I'd also look at it another way. It is a lot eas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Olivier Crête
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 00:40 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Hi all > > Recently, there was a firestorm on the gentoo-user list over the idea > that udev would eventually require /usr to be on the same physical > parition as /, or else use initramfs, which is its own can of worms. I'm > not a program

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Olivier Crête
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 18:49 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop trying > > to impose your workflow on the rest of the world. > > Isn't the point here that the desktop / GNOM

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-13 Thread Thomas Kahle
On 09:09 Wed 12 Oct 2011, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Goodbye desktop users then. > > > > We recently dropped HAL. Now all the magic that was done by HAL (and > > required udev anyway) is done through udev directly. > > My system worked just fine before HAL was introduced, thank you. I > always had

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Nathan Phillip Brink
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 09:09:24AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 05:32:05AM +, Nathan Phillip Brink wrote > > > You can already try out what using mdev instead of udev is like in > > Gentoo. Just add `sys-apps/busybox mdev' to /etc/portage/package.use, > > remerge busybox

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 12 October 2011 09:26:12 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Forking udev is probably not an option. The udev lead developer is a > > Redhat employee, and his direction seems to be to drag everybody in > > Redhat's direction. Our community

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530 > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop trying >> to impose your workflow on the rest of the world. > > Isn't the point here that the desktop / GNOME OS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop trying > to impose your workflow on the rest of the world. Isn't the point here that the desktop / GNOME OS guys are trying to impose their deep integration, tight coupling

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> Goodbye desktop users then. >> >> We recently dropped HAL. Now all the magic that was done by HAL (and >> required udev anyway) is done through udev directly. > >  My system worked just fine before HAL was introduced, thank you.  I > always ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:09:49 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > Goodbye desktop users then. > > > > We recently dropped HAL. Now all the magic that was done by HAL (and > > required udev anyway) is done through udev directly. > > My system worked just fine before HAL was introduced, thank you. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> Goodbye desktop users then. >> >> We recently dropped HAL. Now all the magic that was done by HAL (and >> required udev anyway) is done through udev directly. > >  My system worked just fine before HAL was introduced, thank you.  I > always ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: >  Forking udev is probably not an option.  The udev lead developer is a > Redhat employee, and his direction seems to be to drag everybody in > Redhat's direction.  Our community doesn't have Redhat's billions. We should note that RedHat is al

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:05:15PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote > Are you aware of the simple linuxrc approach that I suggested here? > > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_20749880f5bc5feda141488498729fe8.xml Thanks for the pointer. I've got a spare box kicking around that I'll try this on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Walter Dnes
> Goodbye desktop users then. > > We recently dropped HAL. Now all the magic that was done by HAL (and > required udev anyway) is done through udev directly. My system worked just fine before HAL was introduced, thank you. I always had sys-apps/hal and sys-apps/dbus in /etc/portage/package.mas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 05:32:05AM +, Nathan Phillip Brink wrote > You can already try out what using mdev instead of udev is like in > Gentoo. Just add `sys-apps/busybox mdev' to /etc/portage/package.use, > remerge busybox. You must be sure to be using busybox-1.92.2 or later > for bug #83301

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/12/11 05:40, Walter Dnes wrote: > Hi all > > The other option is to drop udev entirely. As an example, I > suggest looking at Alpine Linux http://alpinelinux.org/ It's a > lightweight server-oriented distro. It uses busybox's mdev instead >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-12 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:40:23 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > The other option is to drop udev entirely. As an example, I suggest > looking at Alpine Linux http://alpinelinux.org/ It's a lightweight > server-oriented distro. It uses busybox's mdev instead of udev, and > some other mdev substitut

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-11 Thread Nathan Phillip Brink
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40:23AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > Hi all > > Recently, there was a firestorm on the gentoo-user list over the idea > that udev would eventually require /usr to be on the same physical > parition as /, or else use initramfs, which is its own can of worms. I'm > not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-11 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/11/2011 09:40 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > Hi all > > Recently, there was a firestorm on the gentoo-user list over the idea > that udev would eventually require /usr to be on the same physical > parition as /, or else use initramfs, which is its own can of worms. I'm > not a programmer, let al

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev

2011-10-11 Thread Walter Dnes
Hi all Recently, there was a firestorm on the gentoo-user list over the idea that udev would eventually require /usr to be on the same physical parition as /, or else use initramfs, which is its own can of worms. I'm not a programmer, let alone a developer. Rather than merely ranting, I went an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Portage should not mask packages globally, but only for some arches

2011-02-02 Thread Kacper Kowalik
W dniu 02.02.2011 08:59, Nikos Chantziaras pisze: > It seems that KDE 4.6 is still hard-masked for x86 and amd64 because > it's waiting for ppc and ppc64 keywords. I believe it would be > beneficial for people if they wouldn't have to wait for arches that > don't affect them at all. > > It seems

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Portage should not mask packages globally, but only for some arches

2011-02-01 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
It seems that KDE 4.6 is still hard-masked for x86 and amd64 because it's waiting for ppc and ppc64 keywords. I believe it would be beneficial for people if they wouldn't have to wait for arches that don't affect them at all. It seems better if the packages can be unmasked for x86 and amd64 a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:04:42 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > In that case, could you then consider to un-CC from keywording bugs > hppa team is not willing to fix? I think it would help a lot to > "clean" the tree of old versions that are been kept as it's the inly > keyworded on hppa Sounds like a p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 17-06-2010 a las 06:07 +0200, Jeroen Roovers escribió: > On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:01 -0400 > Joseph Jezak wrote: > > > Your preferred method is exactly how (as a ppc keyworder) I like to > > see these kind of bugs handled. Dropping keywords makes an awful lot > > more work for us and hur

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:01 -0400 Joseph Jezak wrote: > Your preferred method is exactly how (as a ppc keyworder) I like to > see these kind of bugs handled. Dropping keywords makes an awful lot > more work for us and hurts our users, especially since we're not > always very prompt at handling b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-14 Thread Pacho Ramos
El lun, 14-06-2010 a las 11:30 +0200, Jeroen Roovers escribió: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:08:58 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > The problem is that, at least regarding gnome related bugs, there are > > a lot of keywords dropped for your arch that could be prevented > > use.masking an USE, like, fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:08:58 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > The problem is that, at least regarding gnome related bugs, there are > a lot of keywords dropped for your arch that could be prevented > use.masking an USE, like, for example, dev-util/anjuta-2.28*, that is > causing us to preserve and old

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-14 Thread Petteri Räty
On 14.6.2010 5.59, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:29:19 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:43 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: >>> El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:16 +0300, Petteri Räty escribió: On 06/11/2010 12:27 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Fro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-14 Thread Pacho Ramos
El lun, 14-06-2010 a las 04:59 +0200, Jeroen Roovers escribió: > What is the problem? The files in place ask you to file a bug report > instead of fiddling with the files yourselves. I put that in place > because I got (fucking) tired of seeing the after effects of people > fiddling with the arch p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-13 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:29:19 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:43 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: > > El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:16 +0300, Petteri Räty escribió: > > > On 06/11/2010 12:27 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From my point of view, I would prefer to: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:43 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: > El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:16 +0300, Petteri Räty escribió: > > On 06/11/2010 12:27 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > > > > > > From my point of view, I would prefer to: > > > 1. Mask "caps" for net-wireless/bluez on affected arches, letti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:16 +0300, Petteri Räty escribió: > On 06/11/2010 12:27 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > > > From my point of view, I would prefer to: > > 1. Mask "caps" for net-wireless/bluez on affected arches, letting us to > > keep bluez keyworded. > > 2. Open two bug reports as done w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-13 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/11/2010 12:27 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > From my point of view, I would prefer to: > 1. Mask "caps" for net-wireless/bluez on affected arches, letting us to > keep bluez keyworded. > 2. Open two bug reports as done with current policy: one for keywording > libcap-ng and other to check bluez

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to ask devs to change their bugzilla name when becoming "devaway"

2010-06-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
2010/6/10 Pacho Ramos: > El jue, 10-06-2010 a las 12:23 -0600, Joe Peterson escribió: >> I think a better solution, if we need to indicate this, is to have >> bugzilla grab the status from devaway and display it next to the dev's >> name in bug reports.  Changing the user's name seems a bit cumbers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-11 Thread Joseph Jezak
> > Hello > > Let my explain the problem and my suggestion to handle it better (at > least from my point of view) with an example: > > Sometime ago I bumped bluez version from 4.39-r2 to 4.60, with that > bump, a new and *optional* RDEPEND on sys-libs/libcap-ng was added. > Since libcap-ng was not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-11 Thread Thilo Bangert
Pacho Ramos said: > Hello > > Let my explain the problem and my suggestion to handle it better (at > least from my point of view) with an example: > > Sometime ago I bumped bluez version from 4.39-r2 to 4.60, with that > bump, a new and *optional* RDEPEND on sys-libs/libcap-ng was added. > Since

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-11 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello Let my explain the problem and my suggestion to handle it better (at least from my point of view) with an example: Sometime ago I bumped bluez version from 4.39-r2 to 4.60, with that bump, a new and *optional* RDEPEND on sys-libs/libcap-ng was added. Since libcap-ng was not keyworded in all

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