Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 00:11 Sat 18 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 17 August 2007, Alec Warner wrote: > > On 8/17/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > what do you think of comment #14 in Bug 185567 ? > > > > > > i think that plus having hooks for all phase funcs ... > > > > +1 for pkg_maint

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 17 August 2007, Alec Warner wrote: > On 8/17/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 17 August 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 18:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/17/07, Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > В Птн, 17/08/2007 в 13:18 -0700, Donnie Berkholz пишет: > > On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > > > Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter stopped being really useful > > > > > > i c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Alec Warner
On 8/17/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 17 August 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 18:43 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > > > > Also known a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Peter Volkov
В Птн, 17/08/2007 в 13:18 -0700, Donnie Berkholz пишет: > On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > > Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter stopped being really useful > > > > i can make it more selective about which ones actually die ... >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 17 August 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 18:43 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > > > Also known as FEATURES=stricter. > > > > > > Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 13:40 Fri 17 Aug , Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 18:43 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > > Also known as FEATURES=stricter. > > > > Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter stopped being really useful when it > > started to die on ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 13:40 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter stopped being really useful when it > > started to die on bad programming practices QA messages. These happen a > > lot and often are beyond our direct con

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 17 August 2007, Hans de Graaff wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 18:43 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > Also known as FEATURES=stricter. > > Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter stopped being really useful when it > started to die on bad programming practices QA messages. These happen a > lot an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 18:43 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > Also known as FEATURES=stricter. Unfortunately FEATURES=stricter stopped being really useful when it started to die on bad programming practices QA messages. These happen a lot and often are beyond our direct control because it may not b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: >> perhaps it'd be useful to introduce an "anal_die". developers run anal >> tests, >> users get sane tests. >> -mike >> >> > > Anal ftw > > -Alec Also known as FEATURES=stricter. - -- Vlastimil Babka (Caster) Gentoo/Java -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-17 Thread Alec Warner
> > perhaps it'd be useful to introduce an "anal_die". developers run anal tests, > users get sane tests. > -mike > > Anal ftw -Alec -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Richard Brown wrote: > > > On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt > > > > trust it > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 05:40 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: > > sure...except in another thread, we're saying it's ok for non-maintainers to > bump packages, and i'm here to tell you, when that happens they rarely confirm > things like missing deps or whether it dies during a build. What? They won'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Hans de Graaff
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 12:20 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Which is why it's so important to catch failures. Something that builds > correctly for a developer may not build correctly for a user, so being > strict will help prevent users from installing a broken package. Personally I agree with b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 05:38:25 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Richard Brown wrote: > > On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt > > > trust it > > > > You wouldn't trust wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Michael Cummings
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 09:36:23AM +0100, Richard Brown wrote: > On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt trust it > > -mike > > You wouldn't trust what, exactly? A dev to install a package they're > bumping? Surely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Richard Brown wrote: > On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt trust it > > You wouldn't trust what, exactly? A dev to install a package they're > bumping? you cant tell me the build exper

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Petteri Räty
Mike Frysinger kirjoitti: > On Monday 06 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: >> Mike Frysinger kirjoitti: >>> On Saturday 04 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: > Vlastimil Babka wrote: >> dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Richard Brown
On 07/08/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > in an ideal world, yes ... in the real world however, i wouldnt trust it > -mike You wouldn't trust what, exactly? A dev to install a package they're bumping? Surely everyone does that before they call echangelog and repoman? -- Richard Br

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 20:23 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > we're not talking developers, we're talking users. > > Nope, because the point of the die is for the developer to catch it > during testing. Before commit to tree, so the user nev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 20:23 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > we're not talking developers, we're talking users. Nope, because the point of the die is for the developer to catch it during testing. Before commit to tree, so the user never has a chance to experience it. > it's inappropriate for a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 06 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: > Mike Frysinger kirjoitti: > > On Saturday 04 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: > >> Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: > >>> Vlastimil Babka wrote: > dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before > commiting a bump, IMHO > >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 21:13 -0400, Luis Francisco Araujo wrote: > > - arch-specific patches/dependencies - If someone is requesting KEYWORD > > changes on a package and it requires a patch or additional dependencies > > for your architecture, you are not only permitted, but really are > > required

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-06 Thread Petteri Räty
Mike Frysinger kirjoitti: > On Saturday 04 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: >> Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: >>> Vlastimil Babka wrote: dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before commiting a bump, IMHO >>> Sorry, I didn't realize my 3 hour compile of $APPLICATION s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 04 August 2007, Petteri Räty wrote: > Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: > > Vlastimil Babka wrote: > >> dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before > >> commiting a bump, IMHO > > > > Sorry, I didn't realize my 3 hour compile of $APPLICATION should die > > because TOD

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-06 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:06:07 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > - HOMEPAGE changes > - LICENSE changes > - arch-specific patches/dependencies - If someone is requesting KEYWORD > changes on a package and it requires a patch or additional dependencies > for your architecture, you are not only permitted, but r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:06:07 -0700 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - arch-specific patches/dependencies - If someone is requesting > KEYWORD changes on a package and it requires a patch or additional > dependencies for your architecture, you are not only permitted, but > really are re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:56:47 +0200 Jurek Bartuszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just thinking aloud - why not add some (QA?) notice in the summary > when dodoc (and possibly other do*'s) fails? One would be instructed > to file a new bug when he sees it *and*, after all, the package will > have st

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Jurek Bartuszek
Petteri Räty wrote: > Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: >> Vlastimil Babka wrote: >> >>> dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before >>> commiting a bump, IMHO >>> >> Sorry, I didn't realize my 3 hour compile of $APPLICATION should die >> because TODO wasn't around. Vote against

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Petteri Räty
Steev Klimaszewski kirjoitti: > Vlastimil Babka wrote: > >> dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before >> commiting a bump, IMHO >> > > Sorry, I didn't realize my 3 hour compile of $APPLICATION should die > because TODO wasn't around. Vote against || die - it doesn't affe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
Vlastimil Babka wrote: dodoc calls should have || die and USE=doc should be tested before commiting a bump, IMHO Sorry, I didn't realize my 3 hour compile of $APPLICATION should die because TODO wasn't around. Vote against || die - it doesn't affect anything aside from misc docs not being

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Vlastimil Babka
Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:06:07 -0700 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's a couple more that I wouldn't mind seeing as things developers can do without the maintainer, but I can see how these might be a bit more controversial, so I'm asking for input. Anot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:06:07 -0700 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a couple more that I wouldn't mind seeing as things developers > can do without the maintainer, but I can see how these might be a bit > more controversial, so I'm asking for input. Another good candidate i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Alec Warner
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:49:58 -0700 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why should someone have to go through all of that just to make these > minor fixes? Is it really necessary for someone to be required to try > to track down and contact the maintainer to tell them that they put > "eb

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-04 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:47:27 -0700 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I meant that this should be doable without the maintainer's > consent. Meaning, I ask you to stabilize 1.0-r1 and a few weeks > later, you can decide to stabilize -r2 without me having to file a > bug. Basicall

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages > for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad > state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have > maintainers to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 04:06:25PM -0700, Mike Doty wrote: > >> We really need to get a -commits mailing list going again. If the > >> subject and/or sender are set appropriately, it should be easy to filter > >> for items of interest. > > some of us infra types were entertaining a RS feed for this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Doty
Mike Doty wrote: > Donnie Berkowitz wrote: >> Petteri Räty wrote: >>> Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Doty
Donnie Berkowitz wrote: > Petteri Räty wrote: >> Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: >>> On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: So, what do you guys think? >>> One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the >>> changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somew

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages > for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad > state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have > maintainers to assure that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 01:23 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: > Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: > > More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages > > for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad > > state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:19 -0700, Mike Doty wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > [snip] > > > > > There's a couple more that I wouldn't mind seeing as things developers > > can do without the maintainer, but I can see how these might be a bit > > more controversial, so I'm asking for input. > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Philipp Riegger
On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 01:34 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: > >> So, what do you guys think? > > > > One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the > > changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a > > system to email any changes done to ebuilds maintaine

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Petteri Räty wrote: > Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: >> On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: >>> So, what do you guys think? >> One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the >> changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a >> system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Petteri Räty
Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: >> So, what do you guys think? > > One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the > changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a > system to email any changes do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Philipp Riegger
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a system to email any changes done to ebuilds maintained by developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Petteri Räty
Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: > More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages > for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad > state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have > maintainers to assure that a package is being taken care

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Doty
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [snip] > > There's a couple more that I wouldn't mind seeing as things developers > can do without the maintainer, but I can see how these might be a bit > more controversial, so I'm asking for input. > > - Version bumps where the only requirement is to "cp" the ebuild Th

[gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have maintainers to assure that a package is being taken care of, not to establish some kind of "t