On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:51:08 +0200
> Michał Górny wrote:
>> Such a goals may be good for distributions like Exherbo which aim to
>> make everything perfect. I believe that Gentoo aims more around 'good
>> enough but at least realistic', instead
On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:40:47 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:14:43 -0400
> Alexis Ballier wrote:
>
> > > Ah, while we're at it. If a library has macros referring
> > > to the functions of another library (or just types) in its public
> > > API, it needs a pkg-config file. ELF
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:14:43 -0400
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > Ah, while we're at it. If a library has macros referring
> > to the functions of another library (or just types) in its public
> > API, it needs a pkg-config file. ELF dependencies are not enough,
> > and the gold linker will refuse to
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:51:08 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> That arbitrary collection of packages is called a system. I don't think
> the goal for Gentoo should be to abandon standards like POSIX in favor
> of 'design system yourself but don't come crying to us if you forget
> some vital component w
On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 01:05:39 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:49:34 -0400
> Alexis Ballier wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:53:35 +0200
> > Michał Górny wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > I'm not sure if you're aware of it but Gentoo doesn't aim at
> > > supporting solely Linux an
Gregory M. Turner posted on Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:13:20 -0700 as excerpted:
> For the record, I'm not saying we need to put pkgconfig in - I'm totally
> agnostic about that, as I am about whether it should be brought in as a
> dependency.
[Just replying here as it's handy.]
I don't believe the fol
On 8/31/2012 4:48 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
So please introduce virtual/compiler, virtual/linker,
virtual/posix-system, virtual/sratatata and add them to DEPEND of every
single ebuild.
Every ebuild doesn't need all of those - that is the who
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:49:34 -0400
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:53:35 +0200
> Michał Górny wrote:
>
> [...]
> > I'm not sure if you're aware of it but Gentoo doesn't aim at
> > supporting solely Linux and no other system.
>
> elf != linux
Gentoo != elf only.
> > Also, pleas
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:53:35 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
[...]
> I'm not sure if you're aware of it but Gentoo doesn't aim at
> supporting solely Linux and no other system.
elf != linux
>
> Also, please tell me how to handle multiple slots sanely without
> pkg-config in a package like Boost, for
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:31:43 -0400
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:03:33 +0200
> Michał Górny wrote:
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> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:05:23 -0400
> > Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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> > > On 31/08/12 10:56 AM, Alexis Ba
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:01:01 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Mike Gilbert
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >> Thus, not adding it to @system in no way means it's not considered
> >> mandatory for a normal instal
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Thus, not adding it to @system in no way means it's not considered
>> mandatory for a normal install, it just means the ultimate goal is to
>> have all the deps specified
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:03:33 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:05:23 -0400
> Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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> > On 31/08/12 10:56 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > > Michał Górny wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I believe that the more
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:56:06 -0400
Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Thus, not adding it to @system in no way means it's not considered
> > mandatory for a normal install, it just means the ultimate goal is
> > to have all the deps spe
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Thus, not adding it to @system in no way means it's not considered
> mandatory for a normal install, it just means the ultimate goal is to
> have all the deps specified and nothing left in @system, and while
> progress isn't fa
Michał Górny posted on Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:08:12 +0200 as excerpted:
> Reducing @system may be a goal but it should be a *reasonable* goal. Not
> reducing because we can reduce but because it is bloated with unneeded
> software.
>
> We shouldn't even try to go below POSIX system requirements; we
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On 31/08/12 12:12 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 31-08-2012 18:08:12 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
>> And for a reasonable Gentoo toolchain, pkg-config is a must-have.
>> At least since we deprecated and are seriously fighting libtool.
>
> what?
depre
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:12:58 +0200
Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 31-08-2012 18:08:12 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > And for a reasonable Gentoo toolchain, pkg-config is a must-have. At
> > least since we deprecated and are seriously fighting libtool.
>
> what?
Libtool archives, I meant.
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On 31-08-2012 18:08:12 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> And for a reasonable Gentoo toolchain, pkg-config is a must-have. At
> least since we deprecated and are seriously fighting libtool.
what?
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:48:23 -0400
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Michał Górny
> wrote:
> >
> > So please introduce virtual/compiler, virtual/linker,
> > virtual/posix-system, virtual/sratatata and add them to DEPEND of
> > every single ebuild.
>
> Every ebuild doesn't n
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> On 31/08/12 10:56 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > Michał Górny wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe that the more important direction here is to make
> >> development *easier*, not harder. A
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> On 31/08/12 10:56 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
>> Michał Górny wrote:
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>>> I believe that the more important direction here is to make
>>> development *easier*, not harder. Adding the same DEP
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On 31/08/12 10:56 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> Michał Górny wrote:
>>
>> I believe that the more important direction here is to make
>> development *easier*, not harder. Adding the same DEPENDs over
>> and over again to every single package is at l
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:42:10 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:06:06 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Michał Górny posted on Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:01:09 +0200 as excerpted:
> >
> > > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:12:53 + (UTC)
> > > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.n
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> So please introduce virtual/compiler, virtual/linker,
> virtual/posix-system, virtual/sratatata and add them to DEPEND of every
> single ebuild.
Every ebuild doesn't need all of those - that is the whole point. As
Duncan already pointed ou
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:06:06 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Michał Górny posted on Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:01:09 +0200 as excerpted:
>
> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:12:53 + (UTC)
> > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Various people have in fact expressed a desire to
Michał Górny posted on Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:01:09 +0200 as excerpted:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:12:53 + (UTC)
> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Various people have in fact expressed a desire to REDUCE the number of
>> packages in @system, for various reasons including both the paralle
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:12:53 + (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Mike Frysinger posted on Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:46:21 -0400 as excerpted:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:18:20 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Aug 29, 201
Mike Frysinger posted on Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:46:21 -0400 as excerpted:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:18:20 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> > On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:05:19 -0400 Mike Frysinger
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