Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Nor should Gentoo projects suddenly change what they are because > >> "the internet" doesn't understand them. That's a ridiculous basis > >> for any change. > > > > It doesn't always matter what others think, but it is always worth > > considering. It matters a lot for how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Steven J. Long wrote: >> Nor should Gentoo projects suddenly change what they are because >> "the internet" doesn't understand them. That's a ridiculous basis >> for any change. > > It doesn't always matter what others think, but it is always

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Peter Stuge
Steven J. Long wrote: > Nor should Gentoo projects suddenly change what they are because > "the internet" doesn't understand them. That's a ridiculous basis > for any change. If a friend whom I care about and respect tells me that they don't understand something I do then I try to consider if mayb

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 19/11/2012 08:52, Rich Freeman wrote: > Not a bad idea, with a corresponding eselect tool to control what kind > of initramfs you have (dracut, genkernel, none, > remind-me-but-I-roll-my-own, etc). The ebuild would just call the > function, and the function would handle it accordingly. Glad to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > > Debian / Ubuntu have a tool that basically does this. Its > update-initramfs. I believe it is called from..the postinst of > packages that are supposed to be in the initramfs? honestly I'd have > to look up how they implemented it. Not a ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:07 AM, Steven J. Long wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 05:16:18PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote: >> I'm still happy enough with building udev out from systemd tree and >> letting sep. /usr consept from 90s to finally die in favour of >> simplifying the system. > > It's fr

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro

2012-11-19 Thread Steven J. Long
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 05:16:18PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote: > I'm still happy enough with building udev out from systemd tree and > letting sep. /usr consept from 90s to finally die in favour of > simplifying the system. It's from a lot earlier than the 90s. Perhaps we should get rid of pi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Sun, 2012-11-18 at 17:19 +, Duncan wrote: > Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:47:22 -0800 as excerpted: > > > On 18/11/2012 07:43, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: > >> And, by the way, I doubt, that people "laugh" about eudev (previously > >> named udev-ng) creation. Mostly

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Duncan
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:47:22 -0800 as excerpted: > On 18/11/2012 07:43, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: >> And, by the way, I doubt, that people "laugh" about eudev (previously >> named udev-ng) creation. Mostly they just can't understand why gentoo >> devs created third

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-11-18 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:26:17 -0500 as excerpted: > I'm sure all of the options will be offered as options for as long as > people care to take care of them. With the number of anti-systemd posts > on -dev I don't see openrc going away anytime soon. > > I'm sure the default wi

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-16 Thread Steven J Long
Alec Warner wrote: > Fabio Erculiani wrote: >> I think expressing my own opinion about Lennart-made software is my >> right, after all. >> Firstly, it's almost impossible nowadays to avoid including avahi, >> systemd and pulseaudio into a desktop distro so, there is no real >> choice. This issue

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-16 Thread Steven J Long
Greg KH wrote: > Steven J Long wrote: >> And that is what we were discussing: possible future coupling between the >> two, which is much easier to do when the sources are part of the >> same package. .. >> OFC you could just assure us that udev will never rely on systemd as a >> design decision.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:59:22AM +, Duncan wrote > It may very well be that a fork is thus required. I guess we wait and > see. But I don't see the kde folks being willingly subsumed into a > gnomeos black hole, and time and again, floss history has demonstrated > that when there's an i

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-10 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Fri, 11 May 2012 00:59:22 + as excerpted: > Fabio Erculiani posted on Thu, 10 May 2012 22:48:29 +0200 as excerpted: > >> On a side note, I find it quite odd to be accused of trash talking by >> Linux Kernel people. > > hwoarang is a kernel person? FWIW, I see the gregkh pos

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-10 Thread Duncan
David Leverton posted on Thu, 10 May 2012 19:57:30 +0100 as excerpted: > Greg KH wrote: >> No one forces you to use any of this software if you do not want to. >> There are lots of other operating systems out there, feel free to >> switch to them if you do not like the way this one is working out,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-10 Thread Duncan
Fabio Erculiani posted on Thu, 10 May 2012 22:48:29 +0200 as excerpted: > On a side note, I find it quite odd to be accused of trash talking by > Linux Kernel people. hwoarang is a kernel person? If you note, gregkh didn't post that. I can't agree with udev/systemd integration, but it's worth