Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 10:28:51PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:26:56 -0700 > Brian Harring wrote: > > Aka, ebuild's should be written to assume the files they install get > > wiped; there is *zero* mention of mtime, nor could any ebuild rely on > > it and be compliant.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:26:56 -0700 Brian Harring wrote: > Aka, ebuild's should be written to assume the files they install get > wiped; there is *zero* mention of mtime, nor could any ebuild rely on > it and be compliant. But as it's a FEATURE, they can't assume that at all. So either we spec V

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 12:34:21PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:29:29 -0700 > Brian Harring wrote: > > That's not a "massive change" to vdb behaviour either; file > > collisions aren't supposed to occur, as such ownership of the file is > > basically guranteed back to a si

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:29:29 -0700 Brian Harring wrote: > On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 06:39:18PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 > > Jonathan Callen wrote: > > > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use > > > portage". Portage will (by default)

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Duncan
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:46:54 +0200 as excerpted: > 2011-08-02 19:39:18 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): >> On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen >> wrote: >> > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use >> > portage". Portage w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 06:39:18PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 > Jonathan Callen wrote: > > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use > > portage". Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if > > they *do not* match the che

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2011-08-02 19:39:18 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 > Jonathan Callen wrote: > > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use > > portage". Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if > > they *do not* match the checksum recorded in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen wrote: > That statement needs one more qualification: "and doesn't use > portage". Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if > they *do not* match the checksum recorded in the vdb. This implies > that most people will *not* see

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Jonathan Callen
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:11:28 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as >> excerpted: >> > Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly >> > screwed up systems (as anyone who's ev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:11:28 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as > excerpted: > > Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly > > screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell >

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as excerpted: > Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly > screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell > you...). Well, not "anyone". I never had any problems with it. (YMMV, but soon en