[gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:12:29 -0400 as excerpted: > You can't fix it by beating people up. Volunteers do it on their own terms... or don't do it. The outliers can be moderated to some degree and thankfully the list isn't what it once was, but get too strict and people simply

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:37:38 + (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >> 1) Fact: Unfortunately, your method of argument, Ciaran, doesn't >> endear you to a number of devs.  Some may have the impulse to reject >> an argument simpl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:37:38 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > 1) Fact: Unfortunately, your method of argument, Ciaran, doesn't > endear you to a number of devs. Some may have the impulse to reject > an argument simply because it comes from you. Perhaps Gentoo should be doing mor

[gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Duncan
Duncan posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:37:38 + as excerpted: > Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:38:33 +0100 as excerpted: > > > 3) Given the above, it would be of /great/ benefit to your argument if > either Zac or Brian (or preferably both) stepped up from time to time > and said

[gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:38:33 +0100 as excerpted: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:53:37 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: >> Don't you see this way of handling things, with such and obscure way of >> getting things accepted for every EAPI is really hurting us? > > What is hurting is people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 June 2012 08:38, Richard Yao wrote: > Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash > that people find attractive? For me, it is mostly [[ ]] tests, arrays and brace expansion. The += operator is also very nice to have. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Michał Górny
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:38:17 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > On 06/21/2012 04:29 AM, Duncan wrote: > > Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted: > > > >> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao > >>> wrote: > > >

[gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Duncan
Richard Yao posted on Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:38:17 -0400 as excerpted: > Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash > that people find attractive? For me (not a gentoo dev), in simplest terms it's just that I don't like having to keep track of what's a bashism and what's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Richard Yao
On 06/21/2012 04:29 AM, Duncan wrote: > Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted: > >> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > POSIX Shell compliance >>> >>> So far as I know, every PM relies heavil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Richard Yao
On 06/21/2012 04:29 AM, Duncan wrote: > Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted: > >> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: POSIX Shell compliance >>> So far as I know, every PM relies heavily upon b

[gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Duncan
Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted: > On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: >>> POSIX Shell compliance >> >> So far as I know, every PM relies heavily upon bash anyway (and can't >> easily be made