On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:33 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>> Rich Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>> Fred is a community member. Fred consistently harasses and trolls new
>>> contributors in private.
>>
>> Sure, it's a problem. But not a problem which can b
Rich Freeman wrote:
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> Certainly. Closing lists won't stop the private abuse, nor is it intended to.
>
> What it would stop is this particular thread talking endlessly about it.
>
>> Closing a mailing list
>> will not close such a debate; it will then just happen elsewhere.
>
> And that is the g
On 03/28/2018 12:41 AM, Stephen Christie wrote:
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> These are now the majority of the emails I've now received. The first
> reply was essentially "We've already talked about this, can we just
> move on?".
In our enthusiasm to defeat wltjr, we have let ourselves become wltjr.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:33 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>>
>> Fred is a community member. Fred consistently harasses and trolls new
>> contributors in private.
>
> Sure, it's a problem. But not a problem which can be solved by
> closing the mailing list, in no step of the issu
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:55 PM, R0b0t1 wrote:
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> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
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>> Ultimately the leaders just want Fred gone so that new contributors
>> aren't getting driven away. They can't explain that because then they
>> create potential civil liability for the
Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> Fred is a community member. Fred consistently harasses and trolls new
> contributors in private.
Sure, it's a problem. But not a problem which can be solved by
closing the mailing list, in no step of the issue.
First of all, this happens in private, so you cannot prevent
2018-03-27 18:39 GMT+02:00 Rich Freeman :
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> > Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It is about openness vs. isolation.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to
Hello,
I joined this mailing list a week ago, and the first email I received
apparently restarted these long arguments for and against censorship here.
There are lots of reasons for and against both sides, and lots of people on
either side apparently. These are now the majority of the emails I'
I really do hate discussing this. I will pray for Gentoo, friends, as
I hope the distribution continues to receive useful contributions.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Now a bunch of community members get upset about Fred being booted out
> without reason. Fred claims i
On 27/03/18 17:39, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>> Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
It is about openness vs. isolation.
>>> I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome
>>> contri
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>>>
>>> It is about openness vs. isolation.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome
>> contributions.
>
> Closing of the mailing lis
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
>>
>> It is about openness vs. isolation.
>
> I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome
> contributions.
Closing of the mailing list does not sound like that.
> Much of the concern is that the lis
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
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> It is the general attitude: Does Gentoo welcome contributions
> or want to make their developers live in an ivory tower?
>
> It is about openness vs. isolation.
>
I'm pretty sure most developers, myself included, want to welcome
contributio
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:54 PM, Benda Xu wrote:
>>
>> It boils down to an attitude of assuming outsiders are good (blacklist
>> to ML) or bad (whitelist to ML) by default.
++
This is the most crucial point.
It is the general attitude: Does Gentoo welcome contributions
or
Alec Warner posted on Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:44:48 -0400 as excerpted:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:28:48AM -0500, Matthew Thode wrote:
>> > While I personally do no agree with mailing list moderation infra has
>> > been tasked with moving for
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