Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-20 Thread Petteri Räty
On 18.1.2010 4.17, Richard Freeman wrote: On 01/17/2010 08:23 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: What about something like: if a bug has been open for 2 months without any apparent maintainer activity, anyone can step in and commit a fix? How about - anybody at any time can at their discretion post a co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/17/2010 08:23 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: What about something like: if a bug has been open for 2 months without any apparent maintainer activity, anyone can step in and commit a fix? How about - anybody at any time can at their discretion post a comment in a bug asking if there are objecti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/17 Thilo Bangert : > no - i wasn't talking about maintainer-needed bugs. it is my impression, > that many apparently maintained packages have simple bugs lingering for > extended periods of time. Fx. users reporting bugs AND supplying fixes, > ready to be committed. > > i dont want to step o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Thilo Bangert
Mike Frysinger said: > On Sunday 17 January 2010 15:20:46 Thilo Bangert wrote: > > Ben de Groot said: > > > I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a > > > maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not > > > actually maintain the package anymore. > > > > full ack.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 17 January 2010 15:20:46 Thilo Bangert wrote: > Ben de Groot said: > > I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, > > at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the > > package anymore. > > full ack. i was thinking that maybe we need a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/17/2010 03:20 PM, Thilo Bangert wrote: Ben de Groot said: I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the package anymore. full ack. i was thinking that maybe we need an 'easy-fix' team, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Thilo Bangert
Ben de Groot said: > I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, > at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the > package anymore. full ack. i was thinking that maybe we need an 'easy-fix' team, which can do all the easy fixes, which have been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-15 Thread Ben de Groot
I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the package anymore. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-15 Thread Victor Ostorga
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:45 +0100 Ben de Groot wrote: > 2010/1/12 Markos Chandras : > > If you feel like it, become a proxy-maintainer and poke a developer > > to put your ebuilds on tree. Have you ever heard of that ? :) > > Proxy-maintainership should be given a MUCH higher profile in Gentoo,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-13 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/13/2010 10:06 AM, Arnaud Launay wrote: which kind of explain what is a proxy maintainer (more or less), but does not explain how to become one... We don't really have any official process around this. Things like sunrise and proxy-maintainers are good ways to get new blood into the co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-13 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/13/2010 09:24 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 12 January 2010 15:51:28 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: And since WE want to enable as-needed as default at some time we need to work on the bugs which isnt going to happen This isn't really intended to point fingers at anybody in particular - I

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-13 Thread Arnaud Launay
Le Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 06:52:09AM +0100, Jeroen Roovers a écrit: > > BTW, I have no knowledge of the concept of proxy-maintainer, I'll > It should probably be documented at the official places [1][2]. > [1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org > [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 12 January 2010 15:51:28 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > Your approach of adding new packages to main tree is that you add them > with empty metadata.xml and we have to remove them in few years because > they are steaming piles of bugs... not that this is relevant at all to my point, but when i

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-13 Thread Duncan
Jeroen Roovers posted on Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:48:18 +0100 as excerpted: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:37:19 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> > wrote: > >> So going with this idea... Isn't the treecleaner masking 30-day at >> present? What about extending that just a bit, to 5 weeks total, wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:18:59 +0100 Arnaud Launay wrote: > I have absolutely no idea how much work it requires, so I won't > complain if TC says it's too complicated/unpratical/etc. rm -r * is easy. > BTW, I have no knowledge of the concept of proxy-maintainer, I'll > look at it tomorrow, it's 2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:37:19 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > So going with this idea... Isn't the treecleaner masking 30-day at > present? What about extending that just a bit, to 5 weeks total, > while reducing the actual masking to 4 weeks, with the extra week a > wait time

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:51:28 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > > you need to fix your filter then. an "open bug" is not an > > acceptable reason for masking a package. if you're going to clean > > a package, you need to research actual reasons to mask & punt. > > -mike > Dont be joking, > Your appro

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Arnaud Launay
Le Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:37:19PM +, Duncan a écrit: > FWIW, I feel for the treecleaners. It's a job with little > thanks and lots of chance to make someone mad at you, but I'm > glad /someone's/ doing it! =:^) Yeah. I'm glad each time I see old things getting deleted, abandoned software and

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Duncan
Richard Freeman posted on Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:07:38 -0500 as excerpted: > On 01/12/2010 01:30 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> IMHO ( this is not a treecleaners@ opinion, i m just talking for my >> self ), announcing and masking a package is a good way to inform and >> wake up everybody to take care

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Duncan
Ben de Groot posted on Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:35:45 +0100 as excerpted: > 2010/1/12 Markos Chandras : >> If you feel like it, become a proxy-maintainer and poke a developer to >> put your ebuilds on tree. Have you ever heard of that ? :) > > Proxy-maintainership should be given a MUCH higher profile

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Denis Dupeyron
2010/1/12 Tomáš Chvátal : > Dont be joking, [...] Mmmh? Take a deep breath, a long walk, a large beer, or whatever works. Because you need it. Denis.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 12.1.2010 21:33, Mike Frysinger napsal(a): > On Monday 11 January 2010 22:43:18 Jeremy Olexa wrote: >> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:36:37 -0500, Richard Freeman wrote: >>> On 01/11/2010 06:30 PM, Arnaud Launay wrote: As a newsmaster, I'm a bit conce

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/12 Markos Chandras : > If you feel like it, become a proxy-maintainer and poke a developer to put > your ebuilds on tree. Have you ever heard of that ? :) Proxy-maintainership should be given a MUCH higher profile in Gentoo, in my opinion. It is a virtually unknown option. Another thing th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 11 January 2010 22:43:18 Jeremy Olexa wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:36:37 -0500, Richard Freeman wrote: > > On 01/11/2010 06:30 PM, Arnaud Launay wrote: > >> As a newsmaster, I'm a bit concerned by this. > > > > Yeah, inn seems like a really high-profile package to mask for removal. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 12 January 2010 21:40:37 Arnaud Launay wrote: > Le Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:30:26PM +0200, Markos Chandras a écrit: > > So if you want a package, plz take care of it :) > > From a "user" point of view, having submitted ebuilds, patches > ideas and questions here and there on bugs.go, I m

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Arnaud Launay
Le Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:30:26PM +0200, Markos Chandras a écrit: > So if you want a package, plz take care of it :) From a "user" point of view, having submitted ebuilds, patches ideas and questions here and there on bugs.go, I must admit I end up putting up my "contributions" on my local /usr/l

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/12/2010 01:30 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: IMHO ( this is not a treecleaners@ opinion, i m just talking for my self ), announcing and masking a package is a good way to inform and wake up everybody to take care of this package if they really really want to stay on portage. I agree with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 12 January 2010 20:21:59 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:32:06 +0200 > > Markos Chandras wrote: > > Thanks for saving this package. As Jeremy said, there is absolutely > > no way to measure the popularity of a package. So if it has no > > maintainer, and open bugs we hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:32:06 +0200 Markos Chandras wrote: > Thanks for saving this package. As Jeremy said, there is absolutely > no way to measure the popularity of a package. So if it has no > maintainer, and open bugs we have to mask it and announce it here. It > is up to you whether you want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/11/2010 10:43 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: (A general reply, not targeted towards you, Rich) No prob - my post wasn't really directed personally at anybody. Speaking on behalf of the treecleaners: The fact is, some of us have never heard of "inn" and until Gentoo has some sort of "popularit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 12 January 2010 04:22:05 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:02:14 +0100 > > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > I'm working on getting 2.5.1 in the tree (and fixing a USE=python and > > some other issues while I'm at it). > > net-nntp/inn-2.5.1 is in the tree and fixes many (QA) iss

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:36:37 -0500, Richard Freeman wrote: > On 01/11/2010 06:30 PM, Arnaud Launay wrote: >> >> As a newsmaster, I'm a bit concerned by this. > > Yeah, inn seems like a really high-profile package to mask for removal. > It would be conspicuous in its absence. > > Would it mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:02:14 +0100 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > I'm working on getting 2.5.1 in the tree (and fixing a USE=python and > some other issues while I'm at it). net-nntp/inn-2.5.1 is in the tree and fixes many (QA) issues. Please track bug #300650 [1] if you want to stay informed of its st

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Richard Freeman
On 01/11/2010 06:30 PM, Arnaud Launay wrote: As a newsmaster, I'm a bit concerned by this. Yeah, inn seems like a really high-profile package to mask for removal. It would be conspicuous in its absence. Would it make sense to post on -dev BEFORE masking packages like this? I'm sure there

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Duncan
Arnaud Launay posted on Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:30:24 +0100 as excerpted: > Hello, > > Le Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:05:16PM +0200, Markos Chandras a écrit: >> # Markos Chandras (11 Jan 2010) # Fails with >> -Wl,--as-needed >> # bug #182782. Removal in 30 days >> net-nntp/inn > > As a newsmaster, I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:30:24 +0100 Arnaud Launay wrote: > But, if I understand this announce correctly, the complete inn > port will be dropped to oblivion. Yes, and that shouldn't (and won't) happen. > Wouldn't it be better to stabilize inn 2.5 (there's even a 2.5.1 > release out there, with a

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Arnaud Launay
Hello, Le Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:05:16PM +0200, Markos Chandras a écrit: > # Markos Chandras (11 Jan 2010) > # Fails with -Wl,--as-needed > # bug #182782. Removal in 30 days > net-nntp/inn As a newsmaster, I'm a bit concerned by this. By viewing bug #182782 , it seems to me that only inn <=2.4.