Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-05 Thread Kent Fredric
On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:59:39 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > "xui" is a nice descriptive name and gets the point across in a > reasonably unambiguous way. wayland is not X11, but it comes from a > desire to do what X11 does without X11's problems. And I have a few other perks of xui too. we could i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/09/2017 00:15, Duncan wrote: > Kent Fredric posted on Tue, 05 Sep 2017 07:29:42 +1200 as excerpted: > >> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 15:16:46 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." >> wrote: >> >>> Maybe just UI but that maybe to generic. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface >> >> As a side ques

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > R0b0t1 posted on Mon, 04 Sep 2017 12:27:35 -0500 as excerpted: > > >> I actually really like the ux-* idea. So much so I wish I'd thought of > >> it. =:^) It doesn't come across as nearly as "tired and worn out" as > >> "gui-

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
Kent Fredric posted on Tue, 05 Sep 2017 07:29:42 +1200 as excerpted: > On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 15:16:46 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." > wrote: > >> Maybe just UI but that maybe to generic. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface > > As a side question, what does "xui" mean in this world? >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
R0b0t1 posted on Mon, 04 Sep 2017 12:27:35 -0500 as excerpted: >> I actually really like the ux-* idea. So much so I wish I'd thought of >> it. =:^) It doesn't come across as nearly as "tired and worn out" as >> "gui-*" does, here (tho I already see a reply from someone else with >> the opposite

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Kent Fredric
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 15:16:46 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > Maybe just UI but that maybe to generic. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface As a side question, what does "xui" mean in this world? I went googling and all I could find was "X User Interface" And all I could find t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
The points made about both ux- and gui- make sense. As does using something like desktop- which could be confusing for mobile, wearable, or other stuff with graphics. Not sure if length is of concern. One that is in use now that has not come up is gfx. That is used now for like media-gfx. Not sure

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Kent Fredric
On Mon, 4 Sep 2017 12:27:35 -0500 R0b0t1 wrote: > Up until now I had not been sure my messages were readable. Take it as a compliment, at least 1 of the possible warnock[1] reasons are favourable :) > us·er ex·pe·ri·ence > noun: user experience; plural noun: user experiences > the overall e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread R0b0t1
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:12 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Indeed. Even after the general gui-provider can be assumed to be wayland > in much the same was as it has been X for decades now, rootless/nested X > will be around for many years/decades, for much the same reason that I'm > st

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-04 Thread Duncan
Kent Fredric posted on Mon, 04 Sep 2017 17:48:40 +1200 as excerpted: > Right, there's going to be plenty of examples of things that aren't > portable, and will need to stay in perpetuity in x11-* . x11-drivers > are probably a good example. Though I'm in no hurry to deprecate X11, > wayland will t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-03 Thread R0b0t1
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > I'm tempted to suggest something like "ux-", which conceptually > encompasses GUI/UI/Display concerns, and having an "x" gives a nod to > its legacy as being "x" without it being part of the definition :) > UX is overly broad, as I could, for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-03 Thread Kent Fredric
On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 23:37:34 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Vague/generic agreed in general. I'm not sure enough what you meant > by double-dipping (tho I have a couple ideas) to say I agree there. Yeah. To an extent these days its just "app" practically *implies* a GUI. It

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-03 Thread Duncan
Kent Fredric posted on Sun, 03 Sep 2017 18:44:00 +1200 as excerpted: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:01:08 -0400 > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > >> Examples >> x11-libs/gtk+ >> x11-terms/terminology > > "desktop" came to mind for me for some reason. > > "desktop-apps/" > "desktop-libs/" > "deskto

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-09-02 Thread Raymond Jennings
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. posted on Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:01:08 -0400 as > excerpted: > > > This is more food for thought to start a discussion on new category > > names. With Wayland becoming more of a reality every day. I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-08-30 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:37:09 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > > That could be a lot of package-move churn. It arguably might make > sense to keep the current names "for legacy reasons". (Or not. Just > speculating here.) For sure it would require touching lots of packages. It

[gentoo-dev] Re: Categories for GUI stuff x11 and wayland

2017-08-30 Thread Duncan
William L. Thomson Jr. posted on Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:01:08 -0400 as excerpted: > This is more food for thought to start a discussion on new category > names. With Wayland becoming more of a reality every day. I think some > of the x11-* categories may need to change. Stuff in there may not be > bo