Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-03 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 10/02/2010 06:26 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> >> My opinions haven't changed one bit in the past week. I don't see how >> not breaking the stable tree can be called being "overly >> conservative". > > you have a quite broad definition of "

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-03 Thread Luca Barbato
On 10/02/2010 06:26 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: My opinions haven't changed one bit in the past week. I don't see how not breaking the stable tree can be called being "overly conservative". you have a quite broad definition of "breaking". - clean slate emerge works before and after. - adding a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Volkov
В Сбт, 02/10/2010 в 10:43 -0700, Zac Medico пишет: > On 10/02/2010 05:21 AM, Peter Volkov wrote: > > Is it possible for portage-2.1.8.x to depend on lafilefixer and add run > > lafilefixer (if installed) from base profile bashrc? > We can do a portage-2.1.8.4 version bump with support for running

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-02 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/02/2010 05:21 AM, Peter Volkov wrote: > В Птн, 01/10/2010 в 12:38 -0700, Zac Medico пишет: >> Maybe advise them to use post_pkg_preinst instead of post_src_install, >> so it works even for binary packages. > > Is it possible for portage-2.1.8.x to depend on lafilefixer and add run > lafilefi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-02 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 10/01/2010 09:12 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> >>> I don't think it makes much difference though to them — >>> >  beside making you feel righteous at dragging your feet. Nice try. >>> > >> >> I'm sorry, but I do not understand your hostili

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-02 Thread Luca Barbato
On 10/01/2010 09:12 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: I don't think it makes much difference though to them — > beside making you feel righteous at dragging your feet. Nice try. > I'm sorry, but I do not understand your hostility. Could you rephrase your objections with what I said in a way I can und

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Volkov
В Птн, 01/10/2010 в 20:02 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò пишет: > I, sincerely, have poured enough effort in trying to solve the issue, > discussing it, documenting it, showing how to deal with new packages, > showing how to identify pointless .la files that only increase the > number of them installed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-02 Thread Peter Volkov
В Птн, 01/10/2010 в 12:38 -0700, Zac Medico пишет: > Maybe advise them to use post_pkg_preinst instead of post_src_install, > so it works even for binary packages. Is it possible for portage-2.1.8.x to depend on lafilefixer and add run lafilefixer (if installed) from base profile bashrc? -- Pete

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-02 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:06:56 +0200 as excerpted: Il giorno sab, 02/10/2010 alle 00.42 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan ha scritto: Right, so a few weeks later when they re-merge a binpkg, they suddenly get build failures again. And that confuses them si

[gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Duncan
Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:06:56 +0200 as excerpted: > Il giorno sab, 02/10/2010 alle 00.42 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan ha scritto: >> Right, so a few weeks later when they re-merge a binpkg, they suddenly >> get build failures again. And that confuses them since it's unexpected.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/01/2010 02:10 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 10/01/2010 12:12 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >>> Right, so a few weeks later when they re-merge a binpkg, they suddenly >>> get build failures again. And that confuses them since it's >>> unex

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Zac Medico wrote: > On 10/01/2010 12:12 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> Right, so a few weeks later when they re-merge a binpkg, they suddenly >> get build failures again. And that confuses them since it's >> unexpected. This is in general a bad experience for stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Zac Medico
On 10/01/2010 12:12 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò > wrote: >> Il giorno ven, 01/10/2010 alle 20.43 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan ha scritto: >>> >>> Does lafilefixer fix binpkgs now? As well as the vdb manifests for the >>> files? If it doesn't, I str

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Diego Elio Pettenò schrieb: Hi folks, I didn't follow the whole thread, just a quick note on .la files: Why not just introducing a FEAUTURE or USE flag which causes them not to be installed at all ? la-files have a long, long history of causing headaches, and I actually don't see the use o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Il giorno ven, 01/10/2010 alle 20.43 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan ha scritto: >> >> Does lafilefixer fix binpkgs now? As well as the vdb manifests for the >> files? If it doesn't, I strongly object to having it as an official >> recommendatio

[gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 01/10/2010 alle 18.42 +0300, Eray Aslan ha scritto: > > Why not push for stabilization of 2.1.9 and then do the news item? Am > I > missing something? Yah, the bickering of some people at having .la files disappear under their feet, probably because they are affectionate to them,

[gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 01/10/2010 alle 20.43 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan ha scritto: > > Does lafilefixer fix binpkgs now? As well as the vdb manifests for the > files? If it doesn't, I strongly object to having it as an official > recommendation. A surprisingly large no. of people (at least on > bugzilla) ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Eray Aslan
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 05:04:15PM +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Il giorno ven, 01/10/2010 alle 17.31 +0400, Peter Volkov ha scritto: > > It's better to avoid suggesting this as such things tend to stay for a > > very long time on user's systems and since this'll became redundant > > once > >

[gentoo-dev] Re: .la files removal news item (GLEP 42)

2010-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno ven, 01/10/2010 alle 17.31 +0400, Peter Volkov ha scritto: > > It's better to avoid suggesting this as such things tend to stay for a > very long time on user's systems and since this'll became redundant > once > portage 2.1.9 will go stable soon it'll la files will be "fixed" twice > fo