Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > If you think the transition period for that is long, how long do you > think it will take for people to become aware of the magic USE flag and > begin populating the other-LICENSE-contained-within-LICENSE variable? > How long until it has

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/02/2014 07:54 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Wed, 01 Jan 2014, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> As I said in another reply, more license metadata is good and we >> should make it available. But a USE flag that changes the meaning of >> an important global variable is a little hacky, especia

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-02 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 01 Jan 2014, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > As I said in another reply, more license metadata is good and we > should make it available. But a USE flag that changes the meaning of > an important global variable is a little hacky, especially if it > doesn't solve a real problem within Gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-02 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Michał Górny wrote: > How does this interact with other flags? Say, I have: > LICENSES="A utils? ( B )" > Do I do: > LICENSES="A utils? ( B ) srcdist? ( B )" Yes. > if they both are in the same tarball? Similarly, what if they come > from different tarball, with

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-02 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2014, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Michael Orlitzky > wrote: >> I think a better solution here, since these files are *installed*, >> is to introduce a new local flag (e.g. unfreeblobs) for the kernel >> that would append to LICENSE by the mechanism d

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-02 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-01-01, o godz. 23:28:54 Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > LICENSE=" > srcdist? ( )" > > This idea was discussed within the licenses team, and the overall > reaction was positive. > > What do you think? How does this interact with other flags? Say, I have: LICENSES=

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > But Gentoo can't distribute MS Windows to you in the first place. Is > there a package that Gentoo can distribute to you, but you can't > redistribute within your organization? Well, ACCEPT_LICENSE is about more than just whether a packa

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 09:38 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> >> Is there a real example where the license matters for something >> redistributed to yourself? > > Well, "yourself" is a loose term. If I were to redistribute MS > Windows across 300 PCs fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/01/2014 09:40 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 01/01/2014 09:13 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: >> >>> What use case is there for having the LICENSE apply to anything else? >> >> Some of us do redistribute the entire source package, so it doe

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 09:13 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > >> What use case is there for having the LICENSE apply to anything else? > > Some of us do redistribute the entire source package, so it does matter. > If it doesn't matter to you as a user then you can always leave it > unset and you rem

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > Is there a real example where the license matters for something > redistributed to yourself? Well, "yourself" is a loose term. If I were to redistribute MS Windows across 300 PCs for my employer I suspect some people would have somethin

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 09:10 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> In essence, I don't want to *use* code that isn't @FREE. This includes >> the installed files, of course, but also the build system (that I use >> temporarily). We could generalize this to "any

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/01/2014 08:51 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 01/01/2014 05:28 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> Hi, >> According to GLEP 23 [1], the LICENSE variable regulates the software >> that is installed on a system. There is however some ambiguity in >> this

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > In essence, I don't want to *use* code that isn't @FREE. This includes > the installed files, of course, but also the build system (that I use > temporarily). We could generalize this to "any file accessed during > emerge" to be on the safe

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/01/2014 05:28 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > Hi, > According to GLEP 23 [1], the LICENSE variable regulates the software > that is installed on a system. There is however some ambiguity in > this: should it cover the actual files installed on the system, or > everything that is included in the p

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/01/2014 05:28 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > Hi, According to GLEP 23 [1], the LICENSE variable regulates the > software that is installed on a system. There is however some > ambiguity in this: should it cover the actual files installed on > the sy

[gentoo-dev] RFC: new global USE flag "srcdist"

2014-01-01 Thread Ulrich Mueller
Hi, According to GLEP 23 [1], the LICENSE variable regulates the software that is installed on a system. There is however some ambiguity in this: should it cover the actual files installed on the system, or everything that is included in the package's tarball? This question was asked several times