Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-21 Thread Petteri Räty
On 06/17/2010 11:29 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Petteri, > > > On 06/17/10 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: >> We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural >> background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a >> word for please. Of course when writin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:47:34 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote: > I'm against this idea - conflict resolution, I prefer the term > mediation, is not something that the typical Gentoo developer is very > good at. For sure, they have been involved in conflicts themselves > but rarely, if ever, as a mediato

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Richard Freeman
On 06/16/2010 08:33 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: 3) Let Gentoo developers vote on who's in the conflict resolution team just like we do with the council. AFAIK this never happened before and in my opinion choosing conflict resolutio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/17/10 16:37, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>> I don't know what gave you the idea that the list of the Developer >>> Relations project members is private. > > Also, Willinks reports the alias to be empty, unlike with other aliases: > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 06/17/10 16:37, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> I don't know what gave you the idea that the list of the Developer >> Relations project members is private. Also, Willinks reports the alias to be empty, unlike with other aliases: [00:44] expn devrel [00:44] devrel = A question of rbu just ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 06/17/10 22:09, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Patrick, > > > On 06/17/10 18:21, Patrick Lauer wrote: >> Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially with >> germanic and slavic languages that are more terse than english. >> For example "Sit down!" is acceptable in all situat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Petteri, On 06/17/10 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: > We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural > background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a > word for please. Of course when writing English I try use please when > required by the other part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Patrick, On 06/17/10 18:21, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially with > germanic and slavic languages that are more terse than english. > For example "Sit down!" is acceptable in all situations in german, maybe acceptable, sure not polite or f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2010.06.17 01:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! > [snip] > > 3) Let Gentoo developers vote on who's in the conflict resolution > team just like we do with the council. > [snip] > > Thanks, > > > > Sebastian > I'm against this idea - conflict resolution, I prefer the term media

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2010.06.17 01:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! [snip] > > Problem: Both betelgeuse and jmbsvicetto are DevRel members >nominated for the upcoming council election. >As I am also nominated proposing such rule could be >understood aiming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 17.6.2010 18.20, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 17 June 2010 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: >> We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural >> background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a >> word for please. > > I'm sorry, but that is simply not tru

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
Let me cut out one or two pieces I consider very important: > We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural > background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a > word for please. Now of course this will cause friction. I've noticed it especially wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 17:45, Petteri Räty wrote: > We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural > background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a > word for please. I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. Unless Finnish is not your native language. On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 17.6.2010 17.00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Petteri, > > > On 06/17/10 09:52, Petteri Räty wrote: >> Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. > > that's what I am referring to with "tone in Gentoo". > I want the other 80% of you on the council. > We communicate in English

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Petteri, On 06/17/10 09:52, Petteri Räty wrote: > Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. that's what I am referring to with "tone in Gentoo". I want the other 80% of you on the council. In my opinion the DevRel topic is too important to hide it on a mailing list with a fract

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Jorge, On 06/17/10 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> 1) Make the list of subscribers to the devrel alias public > > I don't know what gave you the idea that the list of the Developer > Relations project members is private. > You can check the alias members directly by running "grep de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Markos Chandras
> > > 4) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group >and the council at the same time (as the council is where issues >with devrel are taken to). > > Excellent point. Furthermore, in every Democratic foundation in this planet the authority entity is completely detached to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Petteri Räty
On 17.6.2010 2.00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > I would like to propose these fundamental changes to DevRel: > Wrong mailing list. This thread belongs to gentoo-project. I also find it weird that you didn't consult the devrel alias before starting this thread but I have no objections to having d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> yngwin's devaway message still reads >> >>   "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". >> >> yngwin retired.  I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him >> retire but I defin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:00:21 +0200, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > yngwin's devaway message still reads > > "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". > > yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him > retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his case_. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >  4) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group >    and the council at the same time (as the council is where issues >    with devrel are taken to). i have yet to see this being necessary. the one or two times there was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! > > > yngwin's devaway message still reads > > "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". > > yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him > retire but I definit

[gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Hello! yngwin's devaway message still reads "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". yngwin retired. I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his case_. I believe I had enough insight to be able to say. I would like to p