Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-24 Thread Daniel Drake
George Shapovalov wrote: Please take a look at #1523 (note the number ;)), it addresses essentially this issue, or pretty similar. Thanks, I'd never heard of that, and it's very interesting. Exactly the kind of thing I am looking for too, in terms of scope/crazyness :) It was obviously plann

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Stuart Herbert
Hi Daniel, On 3/20/06, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the bigger problems is that we have a huge user community who are > keen on contributing, but we have such a high barrier for entry to the > developer community. Quite rightly so - we're dealing with a live tree, > so we can't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-22 Thread Jonathan Coome
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 15:45 -0800, Bret Towe wrote: > perhaps having some proxys of a sort that accept patchs and such > from trusted users that would commit fixes to portage would help. > similiar to the kernel format that way users can 'commit'/help out quickly > without having to go thru the lon

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-21 Thread Daniel Goller
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 13:09 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote: > Bret Towe wrote: > > perhaps having some proxys of a sort that accept patchs and such > > from trusted users that would commit fixes to portage would help. > > similiar to the kernel format that way users can 'commit'/help out quickly > > w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-21 Thread Daniel Goller
> Now that I'm an AMD64 laptop Gentoo user I would like a concise way of > communicating back to my community the AMD64 users and specifically the laptop > users. In fact I'd like to know what other people are using the Compaq > Presario > V2000Z AMD Turion64. I'd also like to know what software t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-21 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi Brandon, Brandon Edens wrote: When I was a system administrator working with Gentoo I would've appreciated a way to interact with the other Gentoo system administrators. You seem to be purely describing interactions with the user community from a user perspective. My post was about the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-21 Thread Brandon Edens
On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:07:37PM +, Daniel Drake wrote: > I'm looking for ideas - preferably big, drastic, shiny ones. Ignore any > issues relating to migration away from our current system. What would be > the _ideal_ way for Gentoo to handle contributions from anyone? (note > that I'm dr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-21 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 07:05, Alin Nastac wrote: > Yes, it is hard to find the right people. Yes, a big percentage of > recruiting team's time will be lost on useless additions/removals. But > the only solution is scaling the recruiting team to gentoo needs. > IMO recruiting team is too small to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-21 Thread Simon Stelling
Bret Towe wrote: perhaps having some proxys of a sort that accept patchs and such from trusted users that would commit fixes to portage would help. similiar to the kernel format that way users can 'commit'/help out quickly without having to go thru the long process of becoming a dev Users can (

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-21 Thread Thomas Cort
> One of the bigger problems is that we have a huge user > community who are keen on contributing, but we have such > a high barrier for entry to the developer community. There are the arch tester[1] projects (x86, amd64, ppc, alpha (soon), and maybe others). Those lower the barrier a lot while st

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Alin Nastac
Daniel Drake wrote: > We have a large expense on both sides when adding a developer to the > project. I personally have lost developer candidates, undoubtedly more > technically experienced than myself, who simply did not have the time > to go through a month-long recruitment process which involve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 12:32, Alec Warner wrote: > m h wrote: > > I'm not a gentoo dev (just a satisfied user), but I lurk on this list. > > > > I was at PyCon last month. I would estimate that about 40% of the > > people there ran linux on their laptops. The most popular distros > > were gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Alec Warner
m h wrote: > I'm not a gentoo dev (just a satisfied user), but I lurk on this list. > > I was at PyCon last month. I would estimate that about 40% of the > people there ran linux on their laptops. The most popular distros > were gentoo and ubuntu. (Not this is not a scientific study, just my >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Mike Auty
Well, I think a lot of what I've been thinking recently has already been said by Daniel. I'm actually in the middle of being inducted and I'm just concerned that I'm going to get extra responsibility without any real positive aspects for me. I don't really *want* access to check into portag

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread m h
George- Not sure if you have seen this or not. Check out Conary [1] from rPath. Think of it as Rpm+Ebuild+Distributed. It's done by some people who used to be at Redhat and in one of the whitepapers, they specifically mention portage/ebuild. -matt 1 - http://wiki.conary.com/FrontPage On 3/20/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread George Shapovalov
A quick update. Please use this link for the proposal instead of the one listed in original post in the bug: http://dev.gentoo.org/~george/epsp/proposal.html The files have been migrated to my gentoo space, as proper. I just added comment to the bug and I'll put up some remonder at the place th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread George Shapovalov
Monday, 20. March 2006 23:07, Daniel Drake Ви написали: > I'm looking for ideas - preferably big, drastic, shiny ones. Ignore any > issues relating to migration away from our current system. What would be > the _ideal_ way for Gentoo to handle contributions from anyone? > Any ideas? Heh, and that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:58:07 +0100 "Stefan Schweizer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | It doe snot need to be the portage-tree .. but an official | user-overlay or contrib-overlay would definitely help to get a lot of | people involved. The problem is security. It's extremely easy to sneak some very d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread m h
I'm not a gentoo dev (just a satisfied user), but I lurk on this list. I was at PyCon last month. I would estimate that about 40% of the people there ran linux on their laptops. The most popular distros were gentoo and ubuntu. (Not this is not a scientific study, just my observations from talki

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Stefan Schweizer
On 3/21/06, Bret Towe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > perhaps having some proxys of a sort that accept patchs and such > from trusted users that would commit fixes to portage would help. > similiar to the kernel format that way users can 'commit'/help out quickly > without having to go thru the long p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Bret Towe
On 3/20/06, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "more open"? I can't think of a decent way to phrase the subject line > which might make it sound it was coming from a native English > speaker..ahem..anyway: > > I read a complimentary comment from a Gentoo user recently (can't > remember exact

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread George Prowse
On 20/03/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:07:37 + Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:| One of the bigger problems is that we have a huge user community who| are keen on contributing, but we have such a high barrier for entry | to the developer community.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:07:37 + Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | One of the bigger problems is that we have a huge user community who | are keen on contributing, but we have such a high barrier for entry | to the developer community. Quite rightly so - we're dealing with a | live tree,

[gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open

2006-03-20 Thread Daniel Drake
"more open"? I can't think of a decent way to phrase the subject line which might make it sound it was coming from a native English speaker..ahem..anyway: I read a complimentary comment from a Gentoo user recently (can't remember exactly where, so this is from memory). It was something along