On Sunday 04 March 2007, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
> Hubert Mercier wrote:
> > That's probably why it is so hard to renew developer pool.
>
> Why do people keep repeating this myth? As kloeri pointed out,
> developer base keeps growing constantly.
Which is a problem, because the growth with
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:05:43 +0100
Lionel Bouton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I followed this "discussion" for what seems ages now. I'm not a dev,
> just a user a little sad with the mood on gentoo-dev so feel free to
> ignore me...
Lionel,
don't feel sad. the rest of us are fine, jolly even (th
Hubert Mercier wrote:
> That's probably why it is so hard to renew developer pool.
Why do people keep repeating this myth? As kloeri pointed out,
developer base keeps growing constantly.
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Daniel Robbins wrote:
> However, I personally would not stay subscribed to gentoo-dev
> with Ciaran on the list.
So, instead of quietly un-subscribing you launch in a huge flamefest,
by hijacking an important discussion thread.
> I think there are others who have the same
> perspective and tend to
Hi,
recruitment was too focused on technical skills
Yes, this is my point of view too. It can even be discouraging to people
wishing to help with gentoo. That's probably why it is so hard to renew
developer pool. I have been involved in gentoo for nearly 5 years now (2
"officialy"), but hon
Hi,
recruitment was too focused on technical skills
Yes, this is my point of view too. It can even be discouraging to people
wishing to help with gentoo. That's probably why it is so hard to renew
developer pool. I have been involved in gentoo for nearly 5 years now (2
"officialy"), but hone
Jakub Moc wrote:
> I certainly do care - more than I could ever care about all the
> 'valuable input' provided so kindly here by ciaranm, which is so
> valuable that it has cost us two developers in two days.
Sigh
ok, reality check:
- we lost some people
- ciaranm lately didn't much to be hated
Be careful, I'm now a Gentoo user, and you're on userrel. Userrel
shouldn't launch gratuitious insults at Gentoo users. Thank you for
not caring.
-Daniel
On 3/4/07, Alexander Færøy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 09:51:34PM +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> What do you plan on d
Alexander Færøy napsal(a):
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 09:51:34PM +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
What do you plan on doing next with your time?
How cute, but please take this in private and not in the list. Honestly,
we do not care...
I certainly do care - more than I could ever care about all the
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 09:51:34PM +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> What do you plan on doing next with your time?
How cute, but please take this in private and not in the list. Honestly,
we do not care...
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Alexander Færøy
Bugday Lead
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User Relations, Quality As
Hi Stu,
I think you're right regarding the current lack of "shared culture,"
as you put it, and the lack of will to do anything about it.
As for what I'm doing next with my time, let me just say that Ciaran
need not fear for his personal safety :) Other than that, we will see.
I'm open to ideas.
Hi Daniel,
On 3/4/07, Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just as a note, I've resigned as a Gentoo dev so I'm going to at some
point today unsubscribe from -dev and stop replying to -dev emails.
-Daniel
Thanks for trying, but Gentoo just has too many folks who don't
understand the issu
No, I did not say that _all_ of my comments were solely for that
purpose. However, I personally would not stay subscribed to gentoo-dev
with Ciaran on the list. I think there are others who have the same
perspective and tend to either ignore -dev or have unsubscribed.
Ciaran is also clearly wastin
Ciaran McCreesh wrote the following on 04.03.2007 21:26 :
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:14:14 -0700 "Daniel Robbins"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It was helpful to have some things confirmed by people other than
>> Ciaran.
>>
>
> So now you're calling me a liar too? [...]
>
>
I followed
Fernando J. Pereda wrote:
> Please go back to your hacking and improve Gentoo. You just can't
> 'remove Ciaran from gentoo-dev', live with it, or leave Gentoo if you
> don't like the way we do things now.
I agree. Daniel, you need to accept the fact that you no longer have the
power to do any idio
Daniel Robbins wrote:
> Yep, I agree. Thanks everyone for being tolerant of my confusion and
> disruption while I look for a way to remove Ciaran from gentoo-dev.
Daniel,
Are you saying that all of your comments regarding PMS
were made solely for the purpose of removing Ciaran from
the gentoo-dev
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 01:46:38PM -0700, Daniel Robbins wrote:
> C'mon, I am not calling you a liar. I just don't always take
> everything you say at face value. Call it a trust issue.
>
> -Daniel
>
> On 3/4/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:14:14 -0700 "Dan
C'mon, I am not calling you a liar. I just don't always take
everything you say at face value. Call it a trust issue.
-Daniel
On 3/4/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:14:14 -0700 "Daniel Robbins"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was helpful to have some things
That's actually a very good idea. I definitely don't want to be
associated with this project.
-Daniel
On 3/4/07, Fernando J. Pereda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 01:17:03PM -0700, Daniel Robbins wrote:
> Yep, I agree. Thanks everyone for being tolerant of my confusion and
>
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 01:17:03PM -0700, Daniel Robbins wrote:
> Yep, I agree. Thanks everyone for being tolerant of my confusion and
> disruption while I look for a way to remove Ciaran from gentoo-dev.
Stop it. You don't like him, fine. I personally don't like you, no
problem. And many people h
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:14:14 -0700 "Daniel Robbins"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was helpful to have some things confirmed by people other than
> Ciaran.
So now you're calling me a liar too? If you meant something else by
that remark, please explain, because I'm having a very hard time coming
up
Yep, I agree. Thanks everyone for being tolerant of my confusion and
disruption while I look for a way to remove Ciaran from gentoo-dev.
-Daniel
On 3/4/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:15:36 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I we
I agree, the post was well intentioned but as I said before I can't
agree with what was suggested.
On 3/4/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sunday 04 March 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> Would that project even exist if it weren't for Daniel's past efforts
> and contributio
I never said I was informed :)
It was helpful to have some things confirmed by people other than Ciaran.
-Daniel
On 3/4/07, William L. Thomson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 19:23 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> What kind of response do you think anyone else would have
Will,
I appreciate the spirit of what you posted, but I want to be clear
that I do not expect or request any special treatment, so I don't
agree with you.
We should *always* have some level of respect of gentoo-dev,
regardless of who we're talking to.
-Daniel
On 3/4/07, William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sunday 04 March 2007, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> Would that project even exist if it weren't for Daniel's past efforts
> and contributions?
if you want to go that route, why dont we all get down on our knees and praise
the GNU project for everything they've done, over and over again (whic
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 19:23 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> What kind of response do you think anyone else would have received had
> they started repeatedly attacking a project when they didn't even know
> what that project was, repeatedly tried to interfere with the
> management of a project whe
Maybe if Ciaran recognized his past faults, begged pardon and promised
to be kinder from now and on, everything would be easier for everyone,
everything would calm down.
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:15:36 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So I we can c
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:15:36 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I we can cut him some slack, and we should all have some level of
> respect, at least in public, towards the father, creator, and founder
> of Gentoo.
What kind of response do you think anyone else would ha
I hope this does not generate many if any replies.
Some might seen Daniel as a deserter, sell out for leaving much less
going to work for M$, and so on. Granted while he was gone, many things
have changed. I am sure he is trying to catch up on all that. I am also
sure he is appreciative and thankf
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