Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-10 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, R0b0t1 wrote: > I suspect the links in ebuilds are more like torrent files, in which > case I think it makes sense to wait to be contacted to remove the > links. Ebuilds aren't hypertext, so by definition they don't contain any "links". They merely contain lists of URIs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-09 Thread R0b0t1
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:58 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 20:33:49 -0500 > R0b0t1 wrote: > >> In any case it is my understanding that the issue is that simple. It's >> the reason torrents and magnet links exist, and why there are no legal >> claims possible against websites which h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-09 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 20:33:49 -0500 R0b0t1 wrote: > In any case it is my understanding that the issue is that simple. It's > the reason torrents and magnet links exist, and why there are no legal > claims possible against websites which host magnet links. The entire court case against PirateBay wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread R0b0t1
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:33 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: >> On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 10:11:51 -0500 >> R0b0t1 wrote: >> >>> Then I'm quite confused as to why people seem to be extremely attentive to >>> copyright infringement (besides an immediate payout). I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread R0b0t1
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 10:11:51 -0500 > R0b0t1 wrote: > >> Then I'm quite confused as to why people seem to be extremely attentive to >> copyright infringement (besides an immediate payout). In the US they cite >> the reasoning I gave, from memor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Gordon Pettey
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Ciaran McCreesh < ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 11:10:54 -0500 > Gordon Pettey wrote: > > And this is all irrelevant since the copyright applies to the > > software, not the location you obtain it from. Nobody commits > > copyright in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 11:10:54 -0500 Gordon Pettey wrote: > Distribution licenses are another thing, but if the original SRC_URI from > the ebuild wasn't RESTICT="fetch", what makes anybody think that would > suddenly change with a new SRC_URI? I've seen terms that state people aren't allowed to re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 11:10:54 -0500 Gordon Pettey wrote: > And this is all irrelevant since the copyright applies to the > software, not the location you obtain it from. Nobody commits > copyright infringement by buying a used book from their neighbour > instead of buying it at Half Price Books. > D

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Gordon Pettey
And this is all irrelevant since the copyright applies to the software, not the location you obtain it from. Nobody commits copyright infringement by buying a used book from their neighbour instead of buying it at Half Price Books. Distribution licenses are another thing, but if the original SRC_UR

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 03:56:38 +1200 Kent Fredric wrote: > > >> Sir, please see my above comment about building ballistic > > >> missiles. It may be important for the Gentoo Foundation to add a > > >> disclaimer similar to the one I mentioned. I would hate for the > > >> Foundation or any of its admi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Kent Fredric
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 10:11:51 -0500 R0b0t1 wrote: > Then I'm quite confused as to why people seem to be extremely attentive to > copyright infringement (besides an immediate payout). In the US they cite > the reasoning I gave, from memory. > > Maybe that was for trademarks? This is one of those p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread R0b0t1
On Friday, September 8, 2017, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, R0b0t1 wrote: > >> Downloading does not imply committing a felony. As far as anyone can >> tell it is impossible to prosecute someone for downloading something >> they already own (regardless of what any EULA has claim

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > Quoting from "all-rights-reserved": > > | This package has an explicit "all rights reserved" clause, or comes > | without any license, or only with a disclaimer. This means that you > | have only the rights that are granted to you by law. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 16∶42 -0400, użytkownik Rich Freeman >> napisał: >>> Are you saying it is sufficient to just point the SRC_URI at the >>> new URL and remove the mask? As far as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Maybe find yourself a lawyer, and ask him. We're all volunteers, I've already done the research. There is no legal requirement to contact the authors before changing the SRC_URI. > and we're no in way obligated to give legal advices to you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, R0b0t1 wrote: > Downloading does not imply committing a felony. As far as anyone can > tell it is impossible to prosecute someone for downloading something > they already own (regardless of what any EULA has claimed). Sure, if the user already has rightfully obtained th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 17∶56 -0400, użytkownik Rich Freeman napisał: > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 16∶42 -0400, użytkownik Rich Freeman > > napisał: > > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > W dniu cz

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Kent Fredric
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:56:32 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > And how would I figure it out, considering that simply asking on the > list doesn't seem to yield a straight answer? Do you really need me > to put it on the Council agenda? Or do we unmask it, let QA mask it > 10 minutes later, then go ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread R0b0t1
Hello, On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: > Do we routinely confirm that any site we list in SRC_URI has permission to redistribute files? That seems like a slippery slope. >>> >>> We don't, and for a package that co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 16∶42 -0400, użytkownik Rich Freeman > napisał: >> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> > W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 06∶21 -0700, użytkownik Rich Freeman >> > napisał: >> > > On Thu, S

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 16∶42 -0400, użytkownik Rich Freeman napisał: > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 06∶21 -0700, użytkownik Rich Freeman > > napisał: > > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 06∶21 -0700, użytkownik Rich Freeman > napisał: >> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: >> > >> > Don't you think there is a difference b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu czw, 07.09.2017 o godzinie 06∶21 -0700, użytkownik Rich Freeman napisał: > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > Don't you think there is a difference between downloading a package > > that has a known upstream a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 15:04:34 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: > > >>> Do we routinely confirm that any site we list in SRC_URI has > >>> permission to redistribute files? That seems like a slippery > >>> slope. > >> > >> We don't, and for a package that c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Don't you think there is a difference between downloading a package > that has a known upstream and that is also carried by other distros, > and downloading a license-less package from a random

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> Do we routinely confirm that any site we list in SRC_URI has >>> permission to redistribute files? That seems like a slippery >>> slope. >> >> We don't, and for a package that comes with a license (as the vast >> majority of packages does) it norm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:28 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Do we routinely confirm that any site we list in SRC_URI has >> permission to redistribute files? That seems like a slippery slope. > > We don't, and for a package that comes with a license (

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-07 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Gordon Pettey wrote: >> >>> Can these package.mask notes stop saying "no alternative found" >>> when it's obvious five seconds of Google searching was not even >>> pe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-06 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Gordon Pettey wrote: > >> Can these package.mask notes stop saying "no alternative found" when >> it's obvious five seconds of Google searching was not even performed >> to find an alternative? >> https://neverwinterv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-05 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Gordon Pettey wrote: > Can these package.mask notes stop saying "no alternative found" when > it's obvious five seconds of Google searching was not even performed > to find an alternative? > https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/module/shadowlords-dreamcatcher-and-dem

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-05 Thread Gordon Pettey
Can these package.mask notes stop saying "no alternative found" when it's obvious five seconds of Google searching was not even performed to find an alternative? https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/module/shadowlords-dreamcatcher-and-demon-campaigns has live links, and the exe even matches th

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon

2017-09-05 Thread Austin English
# Austin English (05 Sep 2017) # Download has been broken for nearly a year, no alternative found # Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/599390 # Removal in 30 days games-rpg/nwn-shadowlordsdreamcatcherdemon -- -Austin Austin English Gentoo Developer GPG: 00B3 2957 B94B F3E1 signature.asc Descriptio