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On 20/11/12 04:26 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Anthony G Basile wrote:
>
>> The other levels are files and projects. So this leads to the
>> other confusion, do you touch every file in the project when
>> forking etc.
>
>>
On 11/20/2012 04:26 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Anthony G Basile wrote:
The other levels are files and projects. So this leads to the other
confusion, do you touch every file in the project when forking etc.
The answer appears to be that a file is the unit, but from practice
I
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Anthony G Basile wrote:
> The other levels are files and projects. So this leads to the other
> confusion, do you touch every file in the project when forking etc.
> The answer appears to be that a file is the unit, but from practice
> I've seen all three. What is corre
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Richard Yao wrote:
> One of the functions of the foundation exists to handle legal matters.
> Is there anything that prevents the foundation from claiming ownership
> over work done on Gentoo Infrastructure in the same sense that a
> corporation would for its emplo
On 19/11/2012 14:45, Richard Yao wrote:
> Is there anything that prevents the foundation from claiming ownership
> over work done on Gentoo Infrastructure in the same sense that a
> corporation would for its employees?
Lots.
> Alternatively, do people working for companies in Europe retain
> copy
On 11/19/2012 01:16 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 19/11/2012 10:06, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> So, I give you a file. Then I tell you IN WRITING that you can go
>> ahead and remove my name from the copyright line if you want to.
>>
>> I think it would be hard for me to argue that I should be able
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 01:06:17PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 07:03:12AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> That's my main concern here. Can somebody say, "sure, go ahead and
> >> remove my name from the copyright line" a
On 19.11.2012 19.02, Greg KH wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>> Thank you for these responses because they did help me understand
>> copyright/left better. I appreciate your expertise in the matter
>> and would hope I can draw on it again in the future,
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 06:23:44PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:06:53 -0800
> Greg KH wrote:
> > No one has to "fight" at all here, the law is very clear, and a quick
> > consultation with a copyright lawyer can provide us with a very good
> > set of rules and boundry con
On 19.11.2012 18.33, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>>> The answer appears to be that a file is the unit
>>
>> I personally consider it to be smaller; a number of lines within
>> a file, or even a single line, all depending on
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò
wrote:
> Sorry Rich, are you freaking kidding me? Europe would need to change
> laws? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
>
> There's a very simple way to handle this and it doesn't require changing
> laws that are perfectly fine for most people living
On 19/11/2012 10:44, Rich Freeman wrote:
> If Gentoo were trying to monetize/dual-license/etc then the benefits
> of airtight copyright assignments would be greater, as would be the
> benefit of telling anybody in the EU that their help simply isn't
> needed unless they can convince their parliamen
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> The last time someone from Gentoo spoke to a copyright lawyer, it
> resulted in a year-or-so-long ban on recruiting anyone, and everyone
> was supposed to sign a piece of paper agreeing to turn over all their
> floppy disks and monitors to
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > a quick consultation with a copyright lawyer can provide us with
> > a very good set of rules and boundry conditions
>
> The last time someone from Gentoo spoke to a copyright lawyer, it
> resulted in a year-or-so-long ban on recruiting anyone, and everyone
> was suppose
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:06:53 -0800
Greg KH wrote:
> No one has to "fight" at all here, the law is very clear, and a quick
> consultation with a copyright lawyer can provide us with a very good
> set of rules and boundry conditions that all of us need to follow in
> order to ensure that the Foundat
On 19/11/2012 10:06, Rich Freeman wrote:
> So, I give you a file. Then I tell you IN WRITING that you can go
> ahead and remove my name from the copyright line if you want to.
>
> I think it would be hard for me to argue that I should be able to
> obtain damages when I gave you authorization to r
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 07:03:12AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> That's my main concern here. Can somebody say, "sure, go ahead and
>> remove my name from the copyright line" and then sue you for doing it?
>
> Just removing the name doesn't remov
Greg KH wrote:
> this isn't obvious at first glance, go consult a copyright lawyer
> for the specific details if you are curious about it.
>
> Which, again, I strongly feel that the Foundation needs to do
+1
> before anymore "Copyright Gentoo Foundation" marks get added to
> _any_ files in our
On 19/11/2012 09:02, Greg KH wrote:
> I'm curious as to why this is? Didn't you learn about this in school
> (if you went to school for software development), or from any company
> you have worked for? At numerous companies I have worked for, it was
> part of the "introduction to company FOO, her
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 07:03:12AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> >
> > Talk to a lawyer if you disagree with this. The area of copyright law,
> > and software, is very well defined (with one exception of the "major
> > change to add your copyright
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> Thank you for these responses because they did help me understand
> copyright/left better. I appreciate your expertise in the matter
> and would hope I can draw on it again in the future, because despite
> what you said a few ema
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Anthony G. Basile wrote:
>> The answer appears to be that a file is the unit
>
> I personally consider it to be smaller; a number of lines within
> a file, or even a single line, all depending on things.
Yup - any creative expression is copyr
Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> The answer appears to be that a file is the unit
I personally consider it to be smaller; a number of lines within
a file, or even a single line, all depending on things.
//Peter
On 11/18/2012 11:34 PM, Greg KH wrote:
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:21:20PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 11/18/2012 11:22 PM, Greg KH wrote:
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:05:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 11/18/2012 09:58 PM, Greg KH wrote:
We develop open source software in public reposito
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Greg KH wrote:
>
> Talk to a lawyer if you disagree with this. The area of copyright law,
> and software, is very well defined (with one exception of the "major
> change to add your copyright, and even then, there's an agreed apon
> standard to follow). Because
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:21:20PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 11/18/2012 11:22 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:05:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> >> On 11/18/2012 09:58 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> We develop open source software in public repositories. A developer
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:29:35PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> >
> > True, but removing a copyright line doesn't change the real copyright of
> > a file, although it is generally considered something that you really
> > should not do at all (see y
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:05:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 11/18/2012 09:58 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> We develop open source software in public repositories. A developer
> decided it would be helpful to change the software name systemd to
> eudev, among other things, in various files after mis
On 11/18/2012 09:58 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 07:06:50AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> COPYRIGHT
>>
>> I think this issue is best dealt with on the side - it has no bearing
>> on any of the really contentious points here.
>>
>> I note that the owners of the copyright on udev have
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Greg KH wrote:
>
> True, but removing a copyright line doesn't change the real copyright of
> a file, although it is generally considered something that you really
> should not do at all (see your local copyright laws/rules for details.)
Agreed that removing the l
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 07:06:50AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> COPYRIGHT
>
> I think this issue is best dealt with on the side - it has no bearing
> on any of the really contentious points here.
>
> I note that the owners of the copyright on udev have announced to the
> world that (emphasis mine
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