On 1/4/13 9:47 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I did much of the design work nearly 2 years ago:
>
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gentoo_website/gentoo_landing_black.png
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gentoo_website/gentoo_landing_install.png
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/gentoo_website/
On 01/05/2013 12:47 AM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>
> Some early work on it using Bootstrap:
>
> http://a3li.li/~alex/g.o/
>
I really like this. The (admittedly kind-of ugly) logo and the flying
saucer thing are incorporated tastefully and it makes a big difference.
The zebra tables, and especial
On Saturday 05 January 2013 15:29:05 Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Alec Warner wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Andreas K. Huettel
wrote:
> >> Even if you're not a business you should care about maintainable
> >> solutions.
> >
> > I'm sure at the time it was c
On 18:03 Sat 05 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Samstag, 5. Januar 2013, 16:46:07 schrieb Roy Bamford:
> > I agree its not 'core business' but Gentoo isn't a business.
>
> Even if you're not a business you should care about maintainable solutions.
More importantly, even if you aren't a b
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Andreas K. Huettel
> wrote:
>> Even if you're not a business you should care about maintainable solutions.
>
> I'm sure at the time it was created (12+ years ago) the website looked
> pretty maintainable :)
Hen
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Samstag, 5. Januar 2013, 16:46:07 schrieb Roy Bamford:
>
>> > That said, why the hell are we wasting time implementing our own
>> > website
>> > backend when we should be using a CMS? We're here to make a distro,
>> > not
>> > a websit
Am Samstag, 5. Januar 2013, 16:46:07 schrieb Roy Bamford:
> > That said, why the hell are we wasting time implementing our own
> > website
> > backend when we should be using a CMS? We're here to make a distro,
> > not
> > a website framework. No reason we should care, day to day, about
> > anythi
On 2013.01.05 05:47, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 10:43 Mon 17 Dec , Markos Chandras wrote:
> > On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel
>
> wrote:
> > > How to do this, however, and what software to target should
> probably
> > > be decided by people who know more than me... and in the
On 10:43 Mon 17 Dec , Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> > How to do this, however, and what software to target should probably
> > be decided by people who know more than me... and in the end it all
> > boils down to "who has the time and motivat
On Monday 31 of December 2012 16:46:53 Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 30 December 2012 00:13, Brian Dolbec wrote:
> > On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric wrote:
> >> > Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some "Inbound"
> >> >
On 30 December 2012 00:13, Brian Dolbec wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric wrote:
>> > Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some "Inbound" repository
>> > until we're full git, which people can fork/commit/pull an
On Saturday 29 of December 2012 11:32:45 Michael Mol wrote:
> Certainly a sidetrack: I would like to point out that Github now
> supports "Organizations" as a semantic concept. I *highly* recommend
> using something like that over using an 'individual' account as an
> organization.
>
> I've been u
We are.
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec
> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote:
>> On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
>>> On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric wrote:
>>> > Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some "Inbound" reposito
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric wrote:
>> > Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some "Inbound" repository
>> > until we're full git, which people can fork/commit/
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote:
>
> Not to sidetrack the topic farther, but isn't this best done in our
> github/gentoo account. It is one of the main reasons we have it, to
> easily accept pull requests from users. It would also make it easier
> for more devs to participat
On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric wrote:
> > Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some "Inbound" repository
> > until we're full git, which people can fork/commit/pull and trusted people
> > can review submitted branches an
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric wrote:
> Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some "Inbound" repository
> until we're full git, which people can fork/commit/pull and trusted people
> can review submitted branches and apply them to CVS?
This is why I started https://github.com/
On 12/26/2012 05:39 PM, Kent Fredric wrote:
> I know, it should be easy, and I'm probably making excuses, but it boils
> down to
Well, it boils down to you needing an excuse ;)
> 1. People in Gentoo have asked me to/encouraged me to do the quizzes
> 2. I've tried several times
> 3. Still not ther
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Kent Fredric wrote:
> There's no reason we /can't/ have a comparable process for CVS to
> eliminate needless slopping of files around in pastebins/emails, both
> of which are time consuming and not designed for doing exactly that.
>...
>(lots of descriptions of fan
On 27 December 2012 13:32, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
>
> What you want to do is contact your mentor - that is the person who
> should be able to point out where to find the actual answer or just
> tell you what the answer is - the point of the quizes is to properly
> teach you how things work, not how
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> For once someone suggests a single good case where git beats CVS for
> portage tree changes: easily checking suggested changes ...
Did you look at Gerrit one of the many times I mentioned it already?
That is what it is for, and it is pretty great.
> A shiny new workflow
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:39:00 +1300
Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 19/12/2012 10:03 p.m., Michał Górny wrote:
> > If I were to throw random ideas, I'd think about letting new
> > recruits did all commits through a proxy (mentor?). Of course, it
> > all would be easier if we used git.
For once someone s
On 19/12/2012 10:03 p.m., Michał Górny wrote:
Doesn't this prove that the recruitment process fails to work?
If I were to throw random ideas, I'd think about letting new recruits
did all commits through a proxy (mentor?). Of course, it all would be
easier if we used git.
I know this side ques
On 19 December 2012 09:03, Michał Górny wrote:
> Of course, it all would be
> easier if we used git.
Please lets not hijack yet another thread with the git migration.
--
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:56:56 +0100
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:40:06 +0100
> Michał Górny wrote:
>
> > > People aren't bothering. It's not because of any fundamental
> > > problem -- it's because the process is obscure and potentially a
> > > waste of time.
> >
> > I agree w
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:40:06 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
> > People aren't bothering. It's not because of any fundamental
> > problem -- it's because the process is obscure and potentially a
> > waste of time.
>
> I agree with that. The process takes a lot of time for a minor
> benefit, and most o
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
>> Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
>> agree it?
>>
>
> I don't think the whole body of devs has to agree to it. The trustees
> definitely have to, sinc
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford wrote:
> Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
> agree it?
>
> The council, the trustees, the body of devs ... some combination of
> that list. All in all, producing an agreed specification for a website
> it probably as m
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:14:49 -0500
Michael Mol wrote:
> I face funroll-loops references and worse almost every time I bring up
> Gentoo among a different group of Linux-familiar technical people.
> There are still *very* strong prejudices against Gentoo in most places
Comparing Gentoo to "binary
On 2012.12.17 15:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras
> wrote:
> >> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in
> doing
> >> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and non
On 17 December 2012 14:08, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>
>> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
>> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
>> actually have the time to invest in a complete
On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
>> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
>> actually have the time to invest in a complete
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>
> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
> actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
Before we considered undertaking th
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
> actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
If we have funds for this kind of th
On 17 December 2012 09:40, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
> Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>
>> > Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
>> > involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
>> > look for a mentor.
>>
>> If your recrui
On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
>> That's impressive-bad.
>>
>> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
>> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable.
On 16 December 2012 19:14, Michael Mol wrote:
>>
>>> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
>>> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable.
>>
>> Well that's not entirely true but that's a different issue
>
> What's not really true? That it's the mos
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> > Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
> > involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
> > look for a mentor.
>
> If your recruitment process is "fix bugs for years and maybe someone
>
On 17 December 2012 00:10, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
>>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
>
On Sun, 2012-12-16 at 19:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
...
> This guy posted a graph the other day:
>
> http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org/wp-content/uploads/recruitment_stats.png
>
HA, HA, that's a good one... quote the the above link to the guy th
On 12/17/12 08:10, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
>>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
>>
>> Recr
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
>
> Recruitment documentatiob? What does that mean?
>
>>
On 12/16/12 13:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
>> That's impressive-bad.
>>
>> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
>> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one
>
On 12/16/12 16:32, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> Get off powerpoint for your god of choice's sake. Nobody wants to work
> with that (well, everybody I meet outside actually wants but
> whatever) :P. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>
I was hoping nobody would call my bluff. This is the only avenue
available to
This is funny, because after replying to the list, I actually wrote
myself a script to extract that manual from the website into pdf. I
should start reading soon... after my other book... xD
Damien
On 12/16/12 17:34, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El dom, 16-12-2012 a las 12:49 -0500, Damien Levac escribió
El dom, 16-12-2012 a las 12:49 -0500, Damien Levac escribió:
> I completely agree, myself, I want to become a developer, but since the
> information looks so scattered, I decided to wait until summer to have
> all the required time to find/read all relevant documentation and
> foillow up with the r
On 12/16/2012 12:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
>> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
>>> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's
>>> important.
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> On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> >> 3. Get off CVS for Christ
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:43:52 +0100
Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> On 16.12.2012 18:20, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> > On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> >> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> >>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
> >>> I don'
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
>>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitmen
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
>> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
>
> Recruitment documentatiob? What does th
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
> some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
Recruitment documentatiob? What does that mean?
> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro
> 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
> That's impressive-bad.
>
> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one
> would suspect that anything has changed, th
On 16.12.2012 18:20, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
>> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
>>> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's
>>> important.
>
On 16-12-2012 12:40:23 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> Actually, I agree with this. But lots of people who are capable of
> learning CVS just don't want to, since it's (soon to be) a useless
> skill and perceived as a waste of time. Requiring everyone to do so is
> a disincentive -- that's all tha
I completely agree, myself, I want to become a developer, but since the
information looks so scattered, I decided to wait until summer to have
all the required time to find/read all relevant documentation and
foillow up with the recruitment process (which seems to be somehow
'non-trivial').
As an
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On 12/16/2012 12:23 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 16-12-2012 12:20:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project
>> will learn git, because a large number of important projects use
>> git. No (new)
On 16/12/12 18:57, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I
don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important.
Meh. I actually like CVS and it's very suitable for gentoo-x86 tree.
However, if enough people want a change
On 16-12-2012 12:20:10 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> Many new developers who want to contribute to to some project will
> learn git, because a large number of important projects use git. No
> (new) developers are going to learn CVS. Ever.
>
> Therefore, we can rule out "using CVS is helping us
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On 12/16/2012 12:02 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that.
>> I don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's
>> important.
>
> It
On 16-12-2012 11:57:35 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> 3. Get off CVS for Christ's sake. Nobody wants to work with that. I
> don't know how this fits into my bullet list, but it's important.
It doesn't, and it's not.
--
Fabian Groffen
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Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation
and maybe give the webpage a makeover? Marketing is a big part of the
problem.
1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
Tha
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