Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-15 Thread Luca Barbato
Second step, shortcomings. Luca Barbato wrote: main problem: - have the possibility to track upstream w/out having to take a manual snapshot of their sources, but having portage automatically fetch them from their tree. This issue isn't and shouldn't something that touches directly our norm

[gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-15 Thread Duncan
Luca Barbato posted 4996d819.8080...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:41:29 +0100: > Let try to clarify: [picking this one to reply to, out of the two] Thanks. That is much easier to follow. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: No. Really. Again. You've been steadily talking nonsense on this whole issue. Please step back, start again and clearly and concisely explain in coherent English how you solve the simple example I gave earlier in the thread. I am far from the only person who hasn't managed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Ryan Hill wrote: I'm sorry, Luca, but I can't do what I want to do with your proposal. I'd like to know what you want to do. With the -scm suffix I can. Good to know, once you state what it is Actually I thought this was settled. What exactly is the issue holding GLEP 54 back that we nee

[gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Duncan
Ryan Hill posted 20090213191923.7fb35...@halo.dirtyepic.sk.ca, excerpted below, on Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:19:23 -0600: > I'm sorry, Luca, but I can't do what I want to do with your proposal. > With the -scm suffix I can. Please, where's the concrete "Tell me how to do X with your proposal. With

[gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted 2009021333.40efa...@snowmobile, excerpted below, on Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:22:33 +: >> > How do I track an upstream who has a 0.34 branch (which is equal to >> > or ahead of the most recent 0.34.x release) a 0.36 branch (which is >> > equal to or ahead of the most re

[gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted 20090213235351.381cf...@snowmobile, excerpted below, on Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:53:51 +: [>> > Luca Barbato wrote...] >> >> Then if you continued to read you'll notice that >> > >> > ...you got so incoherent I gave up >> >> Relying to offense because I just pointed out

[gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Ryan Hill
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:53:51 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:46:54 +0100 > Luca Barbato wrote: > > master is just a name, you may have the main development happen in > > another branch (say devel) and the stabler tree is kept on the > > master branch and you may want to tr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:46:54 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: > master is just a name, you may have the main development happen in > another branch (say devel) and the stabler tree is kept on the master > branch and you may want to track both as well. > > Or even worse, you get two lines of developmen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:35:34 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: Hence -scm... that cannot do as well for more than a single target w/out using use flags. Because it isn't supposed to. Versions and topics are not the same thing, and treating topics as versions leads to mishandli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:35:34 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: > > Hence -scm... > > that cannot do as well for more than a single target w/out using use > flags. Because it isn't supposed to. Versions and topics are not the same thing, and treating topics as versions leads to mishandling. > Then if yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:17:03 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: No, but something can represent the most commonly used models. We can't do -scm packages for upstreams that do utterly crazy stuff anyway, so we'll stick to the reasonably sane ones. So we sti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:17:03 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > No, but something can represent the most commonly used models. We > > can't do -scm packages for upstreams that do utterly crazy stuff > > anyway, so we'll stick to the reasonably sane ones. > > So we stick to a s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals

2009-02-13 Thread Luca Barbato
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: No, but something can represent the most commonly used models. We can't do -scm packages for upstreams that do utterly crazy stuff anyway, so we'll stick to the reasonably sane ones. So we stick to a subset we assume is what we'd expect from upstream. Topic branches can

[gentoo-dev] Re: Live source based ebuild proposals Was: [gentoo-council] Council log and summary for meeting on 02/12/09

2009-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:29:32 +0100 Luca Barbato wrote: > > No it doesn't. _pre1, _pre2 etc does not accurately represent how > > upstream do releases. > > upstream is an undefined entity. We knows already upstreams that > follow a specific version numbering, that tag their release before > time a