Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Doug Goldstein
Stephen Bennett wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:49 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If Portage currently happens to, say, disable sandbox if an ebuild sets GIVE_ME_A_COOKIE="yes" globally, it does not mean that ebuilds may rely upon this behaviour, nor does it mean that Portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:49 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If Portage currently happens to, say, disable sandbox if an ebuild > sets GIVE_ME_A_COOKIE="yes" globally, it does not mean that ebuilds > may rely upon this behaviour, nor does it mean that Portage cannot > change in s

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:31:38 +0200 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the question is whether it's accepted, what matters is whether it's > accepted. If you're interested in legality, ask whether it should be > accepted, not whether it is. spb did that in the same message, and I > respon

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 10:15:35PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:52:39 +0200 > Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:33:21 +0200 > > > Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:52:39 +0200 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:33:21 +0200 > > Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > An ebuild's PROVIDE list. > > > > Nnnnope. Not legal. > > The qu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:33:21 +0200 > Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An ebuild's PROVIDE list. > > Nnnnope. Not legal. The question was "Is there any place in the tree where a dep atom and a CPV are both accepted?" Lo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Doug Goldstein wrote: > Carsten, no offense but I think you totally misunderstood the scope of > what I was trying to convey Yeah, sorry, should have had read your initial email carefully. Taking anything before the last - as version information is indeed a Portage bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:33:21 +0200 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An ebuild's PROVIDE list. According to PMS at least, PROVIDE only allows category/package, with no versioning. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:33:21 +0200 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An ebuild's PROVIDE list. Nnnnope. Not legal. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:31:44PM +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:42:45 +0200 > Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thing is: if you see sys-fs/ntfs-3g, is that an atom or a CPV? You > > don't know unless you actually check the tree. > > Is there any place in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:28:26 -0700 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4. If the first character was a !, then remember that, strip the ! > from S, and repeat from 2. > 5. If you reach this point, you have something that is not valid. Sorry, but I completely fail to understand what tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:04:17 -0400 Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's exactly what I'm saying. CPV (Category/Package/Version) > requires =, >=, <, <= to begin it. Nope. Something that starts with an operator is a versioned atom. A CPV is used in other places when a specific versio

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Matti Bickel
Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > That's exactly what I'm saying. CPV (Category/Package/Version) requires > > =, >=, <, <= to begin it. > > So you'd like to change every foo/bar occurrence (and that's the common case) > to >=foo/bar

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:42:45 +0200 Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thing is: if you see sys-fs/ntfs-3g, is that an atom or a CPV? You > don't know unless you actually check the tree. Is there any place in the tree where a dep atom and a CPV are both accepted? Should there be? -- [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Doug Goldstein
Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Doug Goldstein wrote: > >> That's exactly what I'm saying. CPV (Category/Package/Version) requires >> =, >=, <, <= to begin it. >> > > So you'd like to change every foo/bar occurrence (and that's the common case) > to >=foo/bar-0 !? Comp

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Doug Goldstein wrote: > That's exactly what I'm saying. CPV (Category/Package/Version) requires > =, >=, <, <= to begin it. So you'd like to change every foo/bar occurrence (and that's the common case) to >=foo/bar-0 !? Completely out of line, imho. I don't understand

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Doug Goldstein
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 02:04:08PM -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > >>> Thing is: if you see sys-fs/ntfs-3g, is that an atom or a CPV? You >>> don't know unless you actually check the tree. >>> >> I thought that was the whole point of =. That identifies CPV instead

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Marius Mauch
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:57:28 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > maillog: 07/06/2007-19:42:45(+0200): Marius Mauch types > > Thing is: if you see sys-fs/ntfs-3g, is that an atom or a CPV? You > > don't know unless you actually check the tree. > > Isn't "sys-fs/ntfs-3g" the atom and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 02:04:08PM -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > Thing is: if you see sys-fs/ntfs-3g, is that an atom or a CPV? You > > don't know unless you actually check the tree. > I thought that was the whole point of =. That identifies CPV instead of > an atom. If you look the DEPEND/RDEPE

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Doug Goldstein
Marius Mauch wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:40 -0400 > Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Doug Goldstein wrote: >> >>> Currently in the tree we have sys-fs/ntfs3g. However the proper >>> upstream name and name referenced in every single doc in the world >>> is "ntfs-3g". I t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 07/06/2007-19:42:45(+0200): Marius Mauch types > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:40 -0400 > Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Doug Goldstein wrote: > > > Currently in the tree we have sys-fs/ntfs3g. However the proper > > > upstream name and name referenced in every single doc in th

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:40 -0400 Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug Goldstein wrote: > > Currently in the tree we have sys-fs/ntfs3g. However the proper > > upstream name and name referenced in every single doc in the world > > is "ntfs-3g". I tried to rename the package however, Por

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Daniel Drake
Doug Goldstein wrote: Currently in the tree we have sys-fs/ntfs3g. However the proper upstream name and name referenced in every single doc in the world is "ntfs-3g". I tried to rename the package however, Portage does not let me since it is invalid naming. marienz and genone informed me it's inv

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Doug Goldstein
Doug Goldstein wrote: > Howdy all, > > I just bumped into something I feel is a Portage and PMS bug. Since I > believe in concrete use cases, I'll just go with that. > > Currently in the tree we have sys-fs/ntfs3g. However the proper upstream > name and name referenced in every single doc in the wo

[gentoo-dev] [PMS] Version Naming Clarification

2007-06-07 Thread Doug Goldstein
Howdy all, I just bumped into something I feel is a Portage and PMS bug. Since I believe in concrete use cases, I'll just go with that. Currently in the tree we have sys-fs/ntfs3g. However the proper upstream name and name referenced in every single doc in the world is "ntfs-3g". I tried to renam