On 05/04/2010 03:43, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote:
Let the renderer take care of the final rendering, as really, tags and markup
are all arbitrary. What should matter is how it appears in your webbrowser,
since that'll vary from the source view anyways.
Hi
Show me a wiki that makes it easy to create tables, for example, compare
RadeonProgram from the x.org wiki:
http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonProgram?action=edit
||<-2 style="text-align: center; background-color: #66"> '''Native''' || '''R100''' || '''R200''' || '''R300''' || '''R400'''
Tobias,
On 06/04/10 05:53, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
> I wasn't able to attend that meeting, as i noticed it just a day or
> two before. From then on ... I heard just nothing wrt the Wiki
> project.
Have you contacted people who took part in the meeting asking for
details and results?
Sebastian
Am Freitag, den 04.06.2010, 00:49 +0200 schrieb Ben de Groot:
> From what I understand it is still being worked on,
> but it moves forward very slowly. Maybe someone from the wiki project
> could add some more up to date info?
Initially I was one of those who offered to help with the wiki project
On 3 June 2010 22:44, René 'Necoro' Neumann wrote:
> Am 03.04.2010 15:19, schrieb Ben de Groot:
>> On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>>> On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki, but ...
>>> yeah, as long as no one just create
Am 03.04.2010 15:19, schrieb Ben de Groot:
> On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>> On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
>>> People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki, but ...
>> yeah, as long as no one just creates a wiki there won't be one. People
>> are waiting on othe
On 10/04/2010 19:04, Vincent Launchbury wrote:
On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
times and see how much luck you have solving audio captchas from it.
Just fo
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 02:04:08PM -0400, Vincent Launchbury wrote:
> On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
> > Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
> > audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
> > times and see how much luck you have solving
Hi William,
On 2010-04-10 17:18 UTC William Hubbs wrote:
> > Is there a better system?
>
> The ideal captcha would not be visual at all. For example, on another
> site I am involved with, which is not quite online yet, we are talking
> about implementing tseveral levels of captcha such as:
>
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On 10-04-2010 13:35, George Prowse wrote:
> On 10/04/2010 05:10, William Hubbs wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
>>> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
>>>
>>> Ye
Vincent Launchbury wrote:
On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
times and see how much luck you have solving audio captchas from it.
Just for reference, I trie
On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
times and see how much luck you have solving audio captchas from it.
Just for reference, I tried 15 different sound clips
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 04:40:20PM +0100, George Prowse wrote:
> On 10/04/2010 16:25, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote:
> >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
>
On 10/04/2010 16:25, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha abi
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
> >> > Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
> >>
> >> Yes, there are
On 10/04/2010 05:10, William Hubbs wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
I realize I am very late on this thread, but please do n
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
>> > Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
>>
>> Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
>
> I realize I am very late on this t
On 10 April 2010 06:10, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
>> > Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
>>
>> Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
>
> I realize I am very late on this thread,
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
> > Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
>
> Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
I realize I am very late on this thread, but please do not go here
unless you provide an audi
On 5 April 2010 10:34, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> On 5 April 2010 08:13, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote:
[...]
> You guys should take a while to cool off at this stage.
Never mind me. I missed Ben's last email.
--
Arun Raghavan
http://arunraghavan.net/
(Ford_Pre
On 5 April 2010 08:13, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote:
[...]
>> Really, you're mostly making a case for a graphical XML editor like Beacon,
>> rather than making a case for a wiki. :)
>
> That would already be a big improvement, yes.
>
>> That's your problem, t
On 5 April 2010 04:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
wrote:
> * I congratulate everyone involved on this that is so motivated to
> create a new option for hosting content for the Developers and Community
> at large and wish all the best for this project.
Thank you!
> * I would humbly like to sugg
On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> Let the renderer take care of the final rendering, as really, tags and markup
> are all arbitrary. What should matter is how it appears in your webbrowser,
> since that'll vary from the source view anyways.
So why are you such a staunch defender of
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On 03-04-2010 13:19, Ben de Groot wrote:
< A proposal for a Gentoo WIKI that generated much replies>
I have the following general comments about this thread.
* I congratulate everyone involved on this that is so motivated to
create a new option for
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 02:08:06 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 4 April 2010 21:33, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> > Having to write a custom stylesheet just to get one wiki page to do what
> > you want is pretty dumb.
>
> Yes it would be. The idea is that you design consistent styling from
> the get-go, s
Alistair Bush wrote:
> I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use. But may I suggest we
> approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved.
+1, especially the "overly concerned" part. Seriously folks. Just start
it. Take whatever you as a person feel comfortable with. Tal
On 5 April 2010 02:02, Alistair Bush wrote:
> I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use. But may I suggest we
> approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved.
If anybody wants to approach them, that is fine by me. I'm probably
not the right person for that job, due to
On 4 April 2010 21:33, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> Having to write a custom stylesheet just to get one wiki page to do what you
> want is pretty dumb.
Yes it would be. The idea is that you design consistent styling from
the get-go, so your stylesheets will be ready for those needs. Pretty
much the s
> 1 - requirements
>
>
> In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
> know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
> good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use?
>
> I myself am a big fan of reStructuredText, which is quite
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 11:21:13PM +0100, AllenJB wrote:
> The way I see it, the "official" wiki has to earn my respect as a
> project. The unofficial wiki already has already been through this
> process. It's no different whether I'm trying a new piece of software or
> a new distro.
>
> It's not
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse wrote:
> Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer
On 5 April 2010 00:21, AllenJB wrote:
> My problem is with the attitude of "let's start the official wiki by
> taking the content of the unofficial wiki, regardless of the wishes of
> the active contributors of those articles".
[...]
> If those who wish to run an official wiki can see no sensible
On 04/04/10 23:45, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote:
>> The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an
>> official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its
>> own right.
>>
>> Starting the official wiki b
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote:
> The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an
> official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its
> own right.
>
> Starting the official wiki by effectively ripping off others work and
> attempting
On 04/04/2010 20:33, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
...
...
GuideXML is only easy if you are used to xml or html. Wikimarkup is only
easy if you are used to it as well. The difference is that with
mediawiki all you have to do is press a button
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> As has been pointed out, your table example was unfair, as they don't
> do the same thing. I would frown on such inline styling (that's what
> stylesheets are for), and there are a number of ways you can markup
> tables in wikis. One is to a
Ben de Groot dixit (2010-04-04, 14:31):
> On 4 April 2010 10:48, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
>
> No. So tell us why we should. Specifically, how does it compare to
> MediaWiki in terms of features and performance?
I don't have any particula
On 4 April 2010 17:13, AllenJB wrote:
> The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an
> official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its
> own right.
And that doesn't mean that community wouldn't be interested to work
on a new, official wiki that concent
On 4 April 2010 16:33, AllenJB wrote:
> I'd like to ask what you think in launching a site that simply clones an
> existing site is? Why take all the hard work the editors have put into
> their articles on the unofficial wiki and duplicate them on another
> site, creating TWO copies, both of which
On 4 April 2010 17:36, wrote:
> Hm. Can you all just talk to the admin of gentoo-wiki and make it official?
Been there, done that. He's not interested.
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer
Hm. Can you all just talk to the admin of gentoo-wiki and make it official?
On 4 April 2010 09:31, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> >> GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary
>> >> barrier.
>> >
>> > I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace
>> > GuideXML, just migrate a few
On 04/04/10 15:47, Dror Levin wrote:
> Creating just another wiki is what's pointless. What I want is to
> deprecate all unofficial wikis (there are others besides
> gentoo-wiki.com) which were created simply because there never was an
> official one and creating chaos, then centralize everything i
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 17:33, AllenJB wrote:
> I'd like to ask what you think in launching a site that simply clones an
> existing site is? Why take all the hard work the editors have put into
> their articles on the unofficial wiki and duplicate them on another
> site, creating TWO copies, both o
On 04/04/10 15:15, Dror Levin wrote:
> At first, I'd wish for things to be migrated from the unofficial wiki
> (if the license does not allow for copying, then re-writing it. Our
> users will do a lot of it, I'm sure). I'd wish to migrate a lot of
> things from the forums, after getting the authors
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:31, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> No, he's definitely out to kill GuideXML. Just give him time.
Why the antagonism? Ben isn't out to kill anything, he has no personal
vendetta against anything. Actually, nothing here is personal, but you
seem offended by some of the things whic
> Show me a wiki that produces such beautiful code samples (with titles). Show
> me a wiki that can produce the following formatting for ebuilds:
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xml-guide.xml#doc_chap2_sect7
>
> . . . or a wiki that makes it super-easy to add all sorts of additional
> in-line
On 4 April 2010 10:48, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
>
> Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
No. So tell us why we should. Specifically, how does it compare to
MediaWiki in terms of features and performance?
Cheers,
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer
On 4 April 2010 10:47, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> On 04/04/10 10:29, Arun Raghavan wrote:
>> We _should_ have a wiki for easy note-taking,
>> maintaining todo lists, possibly even meeting minutes
>
> I suppose this^^^ is both a good solution and compromise,
> both to wiki-fans and the doc team.
>
On 04/04/10 08:31, Joshua Saddler wrote:
> completely untrue>
GuideXML may be better for the Handbook use case, with its ability to
produce single page and multipage documents, but frankly I think that
for the rest of the documentation, most of which only covers 1 or 2
pages, the ease of learning
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:37:03 +0200, Sebastian Pipping
wrote:
> [...]
> > >> Here's another idea:
> >> The German Wikipedia uses a concept called "sighted revisions". If
> >> you visit an article without logging in you will see the latest
> >> sighted revision, as an identified user you can also v
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 10:48:52 +0200, Antoni Grzymala
wrote:
>
> Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
>
The Webs concept of TWiki is interesting and the table editing nifty,
but we would need to assess if it matches our goals. I somehow fear that
it outreaches our aims a bit.
--
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 00:31:52 -0700, Joshua Saddler
wrote:
>
> No, he's definitely out to kill GuideXML. Just give him time.
>
At least for official documentation, that should not happen.
(That excludes non-doc parts of the website though imo. GuideXML is a
XML "DSL" designed for documentation,
On 04/04/10 10:48, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
> Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
if the wikis i have worked with twiki was the least
fun. it feels "strange" and it's native syntax sucks
big time, to say the least.
sebastian
Joshua Saddler dixit (2010-04-04, 00:31):
> Show me a wiki that has the flexibility of our handbook, which can be
> a huge printer-friendly all-in-one doc, or an as-you-need-it doc with
> one page per chapter.
>
> Show me a wiki that has built-in intradoc linking to every paragraph,
> chapter, su
On 04/04/10 10:29, Arun Raghavan wrote:
> We _should_ have a wiki for easy note-taking,
> maintaining todo lists, possibly even meeting minutes. But our
> official documentation should go through sufficient review and
> formatting to make sure we maintain the quality of documentation that
> we have
On 4 April 2010 13:01, Joshua Saddler wrote:
[...]
>> I am not pushing for our existing documentation to be migrated into a
>> wiki at this point. But I think that once the place is there, and it
>> functions well, it would be the obvious next step to do so. As I said
>> before, the barrier to con
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200
Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary
> >> barrier.
> >
> > I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace
> > GuideXML, just migrate a few use cases where a wiki fits better.
> > This is what yo
On 4 April 2010 01:37, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Btw was it Fedora having moved from MoinMoin to MediaWiki?
> I remember something like that, could be erring though.
You are right. Here are some relevant links a quick Google search
turned up for me:
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructur
On 04/04/10 02:11, Sylvain Alain wrote:
> I hope that you will not migrate the GuideXML inside the wiki, because
> it's so simple to write documentations inside a wiki and right now the
> unofficial Gentoo Wiki is clean and simple.
>
> If you want to have registered users and contributors, then yo
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 01:37:03 +0200
> From: sp...@gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki
>
> On 04/03/10 16:46, Ben de Groot wrote:
> >> I propose to use MediaWiki.
> >
> >
Ben, good to see you driving this process! Thanks!
Sebastian
On 04/03/10 16:36, Ben de Groot wrote:
> This also raises the question of license. Our current documentation
> mostly uses the CC-BY-SA license, while the unoffical wiki adds a
> non-commercial restriction. By choosing one license over the other
> we will make copy-pasting content from the source t
On 04/03/10 16:46, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> I propose to use MediaWiki.
>
> As I said in my other post, MediaWiki and MoinMoin should, in my
> opinion, be on our shortlist to consider.
My vote on MediaWiki, too.
(I do like DokuWiki better for personal things but mediaWiki seems the
best choice for
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:19:20 +0200, Ben de Groot
wrote:
> Okay, so it seems a lot of people do want a wiki. So let's see what
> we can do to make that happen.
>
I created a Wiki page (oh, the irony) to track the results of this
thread in the Gentoo eV wiki:
http://gentoo-ev.org/wiki/Official_Gen
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:56:53 +0100, George Prowse
wrote:
> Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
>
Yes, there are plug-ins provide that functionality. [1]
Let's get a general Wiki concept done before talking about spam
remedy in detail, though. :)
[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Comb
On 03/04/2010 18:40, AllenJB wrote:
On 03/04/10 14:40, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote:
2 - maintainers
===
Who is volunteering for maintaining the wiki? We need editors and
moderators, people who look out for quality control and take care of
spa
On 03/04/10 14:40, Dror Levin wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> 2 - maintainers
>> ===
>>
>> Who is volunteering for maintaining the wiki? We need editors and
>> moderators, people who look out for quality control and take care of
>> spam removal. So let's g
areas.
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:04:38 -0400
> From: guy.fonta...@videotron.qc.ca
> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki
>
> Hi !
>
> I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and
On 03/04/10 08:40, Dror Levin wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote:
>
>> 1 - requirements
>>
>>
>> In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
>> know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
>> good to have?
On 3 April 2010 16:30, Alex Legler wrote:
> I propose to use MediaWiki.
As I said in my other post, MediaWiki and MoinMoin should, in my
opinion, be on our shortlist to consider.
> I'd be interested in helping out with the backend part, i.e. setting up
> and maintaining the Wiki software and the
On 3 April 2010 16:12, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Dror Levin:
>> There is currently a wiki for gentoo at gentoo-wiki.com, which is
>> running MediaWiki, so it would be easiest to transfer the content if
>> we were to run the same software.
>
> This sh
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:19:20 +0200, Ben de Groot
wrote:
> 1 - requirements
>
>
> In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
> know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
> good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use?
>
> [
Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Dror Levin:
> There is currently a wiki for gentoo at gentoo-wiki.com, which is
> running MediaWiki, so it would be easiest to transfer the content if
> we were to run the same software.
This should happen (if at all) on a per article basis imho. Hav
On 3 April 2010 16:04, Guy Fontaine wrote:
> I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and some
> other members also do. I maintain CSS, examples and wrote almost 60% of the
> stuff.
>
> If you think I could help, please just let me know.
I think you can help. Stay in tou
Hi !
I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and some other
members also do. I maintain CSS, examples and wrote almost 60% of the stuff.
If you think I could help, please just let me know.
The wiki :
http://gentoo-quebec.org/wiki/index.php/Accueil
Guy Fontaine
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot wrote:
> 1 - requirements
>
>
> In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
> know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
> good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use?
>
> I myself
On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
>> People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki, but ...
> yeah, as long as no one just creates a wiki there won't be one. People
> are waiting on other people, who are waiting for Godot. Just do it.
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