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and an infra contact for the council election.
If you will be around during June and the first few days of July (for
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Candidates cannot be officials.
So far we have two volunteers, kangie and andrewammerlaan. Thank you
both.
We need two more and an infra contact as there are a few odds and ends
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nd to questions from the electorate.
6. Update topic in -dev with the turnout, post reminders to the
electorate.
Once we have a team, we can arrange a practice election.
On behalf of the elections project.
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>
> welcome, apart from flames about how this is ridiculous and
> unnecessary :-).
>
> Best wishes,
> Eddie
>
>[snip method]
"Because I can" is a good enough reason to do anything with Gentoo.
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> a good thing — but we need to have policies in place, to make sure
> shit
> doesn't flow in.
>
> Compare with the shitstorm at:
> https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358
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Michał,
An excellent piece of prose setting out the rationale.
I fully support it.
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> [2] https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0078.html
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>
Michał,
> However, the process is non-trivial ...
That's a down side.
What are the benefits to Gentoo?
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only filesystem and test it
> out.)
>
> If you do find a random package touching /dev I think most here would
> be pretty interested, as that seems rather bizarre.
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Team,
As a long time static /dev user the only thing I've noticed updates maki
On 2022.01.05 21:10, David Seifert wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-01-05 at 21:06 +0000, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > On 2022.01.05 20:22, Sam James wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 5 Jan 2022, at 19:02, Roy Bamford
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
On 2022.01.05 20:22, Sam James wrote:
>
>
> > On 5 Jan 2022, at 19:02, Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > Sam,
> >
> > Do users with FEATURES=distcc still have to opt out of this
> > MAKEOPTS clamping?
> >
>
> Great point! I think we could
CKREQS_MEMORY_MANGLE_JOBS=no."
> +
> + MAKEOPTS+=" -j${new_jobs}"
> + fi
> + fi
> + else
> + _check-reqs_unsatisfied \
> +
maller I would be
against dropping it. Think non Intel/AMD memory constrained systems.
Gentoo is popular outside the desktop, so keep those users in mind too.
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ne, and not very far.
It has to come sooner or later, so if not now, then when?
Datapoint: On the forums, x86 installs are either done by mistake
or by users who know what they are doing on a 32 bit SoC,
The first set of users will be helped, the second set know what they
are doing.
In case its
reated?
Its on for stage building and off in profiles.
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around for the count and have shell access to Woodpecker you are qualified.
Candidates in the election need not apply.
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>
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> fpr: C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5
>
>
I'm in the "if it's not broken don't fix it" school.
The original
leaves Gentoo, people just stray for a while. :)
Its good that you recognise the signs of over doing it.
Have a break. Have a very long break. I'm confident that Gentoo will
be here when you decide to join in the fun again. Time permitting.
My best wishes to you and and whatever you decide to do in
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On 20/04/2021 06:31, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
Here's two I have so far
https://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/neddy/
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:24:41AM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
Here's where I reed your help. The missing distfiles are
MD5 38adc94a4953a6b29e8619c25dda4887 4.2.0-4.2.1.diff.gz
On 19/04/2021 15:55, Benda Xu wrote:
Roy,
Roy Bamford writes:
Its my 18th anniversary of installing Gentoo. A number of coincidences gave
rise to
my original liveCD turning up when I was searching for bits to get an old
system to boot
just one more time to get some forgotten data off its
131130
MD5 aaeb8f8b276a6849f7a570097d69788e glide3-headers.tar.bz2 14564
MD5 d5cc6a93c7d3ad2eb02bc637a1de9cf3 net-tools-1.60-gentoo-extra.tar.bz2 5785
If your Gentoo history goes back as far as mine and you still have those files,
please
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right now,
> > and none of them look to be critical, so I vote "no" on your
> proposal unless
> > there is some verifiable reason why eudev is no longer suitable to
> be the
> > default udev provider.
>
[snip]
> ...because of fear of
> what
On 2020.08.08 23:22, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:17 PM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
> > systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
> > That's the entire reason that eudev
g udev inseparable from
systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary.
I would want some convincing that it was not another step on the road
to Gentoo being assimilated by systemd.
We had this discussion several years ago when the def
2 is not on your list.
Be first into the future by masking this stuff and
Last out of the past by leaving up to users to decide.
It could stay in the tree, masked, as long as python2.
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On 2020.06.17 10:40, David Abbott wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:08 AM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > Team,
> >
> > Its time to kick off the Trustee Election for this year.
> >
> > It will span June 21 to about August 3.
> > We need two or
candidates should not apply.
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On 2020.05.30 13:14, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 6:09 AM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > We sill need more volunteers.
> >
>
> Not going to be running, so I'm happy to pitch in.
>
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>
>
Rich,
Thank you.
On 2020.05.29 21:10, David Abbott wrote:
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 4:03 PM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > Team,
> >
> > Our current council will hold their last meeting on 14-Jun-20.
> > We therefore need to elect a new council before the July meeting.
>
, every now and again,
real life can intervene at the last moment.
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ble to prove it.
Its OK to publish advice based on beliefs or opinions, there is no
requirement for beliefs or opinions to be based on fact but we are
not discussing beliefs or opinions here.
In summary, we can't be sure of our facts. We can't be sure that
any warning complete and corr
On 2020.01.04 13:43, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> On 2020-01-04 14:08, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > emerge -1 vanilla-sources
> > eselect kernel ...
> > genkernel all
> > ...
>
> Please tell user to do
>
> genkernel --kernel-config=/proc/config.gz all
>
On 2020.01.04 12:54, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 6:42 AM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
[snip]
>
> Apparently git and tar are too complicated for Gentoo users, but
> managing symlinks, using make, managing a bootloader, dealing with the
> kernel's configuration sys
e too.
There are probably other packages that only install whatever
they fetch. Could they be dropped?
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t the other 32 bit flags will fail there, as it does not have them
but they might work on the Pi, as it does.
Other than pointing out the problem, I don't know how to test further.
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probably gained amd64 multilib compat by
> now.
>
> ---
>
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either but I'm
aware of users that do.
I like to have the choice to not build documentation on low power
systems. Its a part of Gentoos flexibility that should not be removed.
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mation on the layout, please see the wiki article
> on AMD64 multilib layouts [2].
>
> [1]:https://bugs.gentoo.org/506276
> [2]:https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:AMD64/Multilib_layout
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>
Team,
"These profile
-wayland -xcsecurity -xephyr
-xnest"
elogind is hard masked and suid is being turned off.
Its arm64, so I expect to find a few rough edges.
However, changes like this need to be coordinated across all arches.
Take a pat on the back for the elogind work and a slap on the wrist
if my arm
On 2018.11.30 17:06, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 21:43 +0000, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > On 2018.11.26 18:58, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > Here's the newest version.
> > >
> > > Changes:
> > >
> > > - added explicit notio
It should be included as the last of the files in the binary
package container.
[snip]
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Its a nit today but that says that any future extensions, none
yet planned, should be placed before the image archive.
The specification needs to avoid t
On 2018.11.19 19:33, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 2:21 PM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > "The archive members support optional OpenPGP signatures.
> > The implementations must allow the user to specify whether OpenPGP
> > signatures are to be ex
ts are signed with the same key?
That could happen if one person makes a binpackage and someone
else updates the metadata.
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See attached.
Replying off list because I am not on the whitelist ...
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On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 5:04 AM Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2018.11.18 09:38, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Sun, 2
ll binary packages without the use of any Gentoo
specific tooling.
The current tarball of tarballs proposal would satisfy that requirement.
Its unlikely that a custom binary format would. Of course, this being
Gentoo someone would write a run anywhere script that did the
unpicking, We already
as a
single package stage3 when a user needs a get out of jail
free card.
Does this proposal allow for installing the payload without
the use of the Gentoo package manager from some random
distro being used as a rescue media?
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stream top level licence?
What about bundled libs?
Do you trust upstream to have that that right too?
It looks like a lot of work for what is at most, a convenience to users.
What matters most is the licensing for things we distribute as binaries.
That would make an interesting and more manageable test case.
As has already been pointed out. Fixing it is one thing, keeping it fixed
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M_DOING or something similar comes to mind.
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the entire Linux community, a point
already made by others.
In volunteer groups things get done by those who want to do them.
Others join later. I think the quote I'm looking for is "Build it and they
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> dictionary and can set the USE and VIDEO_CARDS flags according to the
> video card(s) you have.
>
> This would be along the same lines as the
> app-portage/cpuid2cpuflags pkg. Then the pkg is updated as new
> drivers
> and combinations are changed. Perhaps
d it gets masked too.
Its not a problem to me as I know how to manage it. Its just untidy.
With apologies to Pacho for citing his name in the worked
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> It seems to me that portage's current effort is to have all
> configuration files in /etc/portage or in the profile.
>
> Best,
> Michael Lienhardt
>
>
>
Michael,
'Support' can be as simple as n
EYWORDS="/etc/portage/package.accept_keywords"
but thats a recent name change.
PACKAGE_KEYWORDS="/etc/portage/package.keywords"
is the old name and my older systems still use that.
You probably need to harvest both and process both as portage does.
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l something like:
>
> edistadd foo.tar.gz bar.tar.gz
>
> ...and it will place the files in the right subdirectories.
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>
Michał,
How does this work for fetch restricted files and finding other files
no longer o
Does removing non @gentoo.org email address from the ML not require
that process too?
Gentoo does not have any other disiplinary process than the action by
comrel that you describe.
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> Gentoo Linux developer
> (council, toolchain, perl, libreoffice, comrel)
Andreas,
Being somwhat old and cynical, I'm seeing signs of history
repeating itself.
Does being 'struck off' the list in this way apply to devs, including
Council and comrel members?
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uild
and test packages offline before pushing the binaries to production.
Then they can run whatever they want.
Every Gentoo install is different and very few possible
combinations are actually tested.
By all means lower the bar for ~arch. Say, to "builds and works for
me, needs more testing". The down side is that it will create more
bug reports and more work, so it may only exchange one problem
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e gcj use flag.
That will bootstrap icedtea:7
icedtea:7 will bootstrap icedtea:8
Tested on arm64.
With icedtea:7 going and gcc-5.4 not having a very long future,
building icedtea for a new arch will be painful.
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the repository at
rsync time will therefore remove the manifents and the files that they cover.
Is that understanding correct?
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> Mail: Alice Ferrazzi
> PGP: 2E4E 0856 461C 0585 1336 F496 5621 A6B2 8638 781A
>
>
Alice,
Forking with what aim?
Keeping the existing functionality alive in line with kernel
developments or that and adding new features.
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t; https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
>
>
... and some of those lost users might have gone on to become devs.
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o does what when there is no pulse from
the Security Project?
This isn't really a Security Project issue. If its ever needed, the
Security Project isn't active. It affects other projects too, like
comrel, QA and others. Perhaps there is a common solution
to taking a proqcts pul
ay from these paths to general
> education of system setup, since they technically are valid, just not
> ideal.
>
>
+1
Add udev-settle now.
Have an advisory news item that says why its been done and what
users can do if they don't like it or don't need it, and what will ha
se a bug to remove it from the tree.
Actively building every package in the tree to discover candidates for removal
takes a lot more resources than searching bugs to identify potential candidates.
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packages around more power to them, but they definitely do not
> belong in the main tree if they are unmaintained for an extended
> period
> of time.
>
> William
>
>
There is no point in removing unmaintained but perfectly functional software
from the tree.
It needs
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I say 'might' as international copyright is a minefield. Its wider than
just ebuilds, its wherever Foundation copyright is asserted.
Both Gentoo Technologies Inc. and Gentoo Foundation Inc. were/are New
Mexico legal entities, so are subject to New Mexico law. Of course, if
you are not
gt; know your current status.
>
> Mark Loeser (halcy0n)
> Gysbert Wassenaar (nixnut)
> Michael Weber (xmw)
>
>[snip]
>
> Thanks,
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fter you
spend 10 hours building *office and find out its a dud, you can back it
out in a few minutes.
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were inconvenient.
As overlays have become more widespread and used as a way to lower the
barrier to contributing directly to Gentoo, there are fewer packages
"masked for testing".
I like the old way, it avoids installing yet another overlay but
clearly others feel differently or there
ssion is just a waste of resource for files
<=4k.
I'm not suggesting dynamically determining the output filesystem block
size (unless you really want to), choose a static limit below which
compression will not be applied.
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you can't override it
unless you also remove the symlink.
INSTALL_MASK means
I_KNOW_WHAT_IM_DOING_AND_AM_PREPARED_TO_KEEP_THE_PIECES
systemd and the components it has sucked in has become the centre of a
religious war with Zelots on both sides.
All an INSTALL_MASK_OVERRIDE would do is escalate the war.
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you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
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On 2013.11.22 09:38, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Roy Bamford wrote:
>
> >> Indeed, that's one of the two TLPs that were suggested. The past
> QA
> >> disliked having Licenses as their subproject, though. It depends
> on
&g
rily technical,
> then Licenses (which is largely non-technical) doesn't fit so well.
>
> Ulrich
>
... or maybe a sub committee of the Gentoo Foundation Inc?
because of the non technical and legal implications of the work.
Trustees get involved with licence corner cases anyway, s
liges us to keep such patches around for three years, iirc.
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> web: https://xmw.de/
> mailto: Michael Weber
>
>
The Gnome team has made their choice. I'm the light of that, users can
now make their own choices.
That's what Gentoo is about after all ... choice.
I fully support the Gnome teams choice ... now I have to make o
7;t supposed to be. I do like Williams
approach to posting a warning about the upcoming change so I cam manage
it for myself, if I'm feeling nervous.
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without maintainer approval well, you see how
> stupid that sounds?
>
> -Zero
>
[snip]
Rick,
The council should not be denied the ability to reach decisions
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> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Roy Bamford
>
[snip]
> >
> > Please keep voting in public. Its good for accountability.
> > If not in IRC, find a way to publish who voted and now.
> > Council do not get a secret ballot.
&
tidy off one unresolved mailing list
> discussion
> each
> month)
Ok, so what colour should it be?
[with apologies to Douglas Adams]
[snip]
>
> Best,
> Andreas
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too, as thats one of the reasons proctors failed.
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-2 with baselayout-1 net files. This
news item will bypass them.
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and I'll do the forums announce.
Eventually, it will be a habit.
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your feedback.
>
> [1] http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Bugday
> [2] http://blog.dastergon.gr/gentoo-bugday/
>
> Thanks,
> Pavlos
>
>
Pavlos,
I used to do a forums announce for the old bugday. That can be revived
too if you want. The old bugday ran to a calender, so the anno
elf, but I can't imagine the other
> Trustees would be opposed)!
>
> Rich
>
>
Works for me too, so thats a majority vote of Trustees.
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; Donnie
>
> Donnie Berkholz
> Council Member / Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux <http://dberkholz.com>
> Analyst, RedMonk <http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/>
>
Donnie.
We make our own website framework for the same reason that everything
else happens in Gentoo.
ting more devs on board so existing things can move faster.
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> because gentoo *bsd doesn't do it. I don't see that as relevant
> because ebuilds can be smart enough to test whether they are being
> emerged on Linux or *BSD.
>
> William
>
>
I don't think the 'luddites' have quite so black and white a vi
e work, depending on what it was done on/for (who
> > > provided the equipment, tasks, etc.)
> >
[snip]
This is typical for the UK too. My present employer regards my role in
the Gentoo Foundation as 'employment'. I had to show that there was no
conflict of interests
cation for a website
it probably as much work as actually building the site. It could easily
be as much work as the PMS.
Anyway, I'm rambling a little.
In summary, if we decide to outsource the website project, it needs to
be carefully controlled.
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> > Development
[snip]
> Can I take this course online? Will the lectures be recorded?
>
> -ZC
>
I would be interested in an online version too.
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h eudev both good luck and success. Success comes in many forms,
so I won't try to predict exactly what that means. Suffice to say, we
will all recognise it when we see it.
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On 2012.11.25 14:42, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Roy Bamford
>
> wrote:
> > From the point of view of the licencor, the licence is just as
> > important as the code, so there are no trivial licence issues.
> > As a trustee, I am unhappy with
the licence is just as
important as the code, so there are no trivial licence issues.
As a trustee, I am unhappy with losing the traceability at all.
Other trustees may have different opinions.
What seems trivial today, may not be trivial tomorrow if a licencor
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program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
>
>
Duncan,
You don't want to listen to Presidents too much. Look at other real
life examples.
Would you claim that the President of the Gentoo Foundation speaks for
Gentoo?
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in the BIOS/firmware/nvram on the board, such
> > that you couldn't boot anything else but that kernel?
>
> That is correct.
>
[snip]
So when you build a dud kernel and flash your BIOS with it, and we all
build the odd dud, your motherboard is bricked.
Now what?
Get out you
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binary packages, which you were keeping in case of a broken ~arch
upgrade that needs to be reverted in a hurry. e.g. one of the nice big
shiny packages that emerge -e world just updated for you.
[snip]
>
> Rich
>
>
>
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ferent arches. Sharing /usr/portage/packages is a really
bad idea in that set up. As they all run ~arch, they all build packages
so I can downgrade quickly.
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; guide.
Our users will tinker and break things just because they can anyway. At
least don't give them the means to make them difficult to help in the
introductory Gentoo text.
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