Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Adding potentially questionable license AcePerl-Indemnity

2020-04-23 Thread Richard Yao
On 4/23/20 3:31 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2020, Kent Fredric wrote: > >> I've just discovered dev-perl/Ace has some fun questionable licensing >> which includes a lovely indemnity clause, which had previously gone >> unnoticed, and it stipulates additional requests for resear

Re: ext4 readdir performance - was Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-23 Thread Richard Yao
> On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:48 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > > On 10/22/19 2:51 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> >>> On 2019/10/21 18:42, Richard Yao wrote: >>> >>> If we consider the access frequency, it might actually not be that >

ext4 readdir performance - was Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-23 Thread Richard Yao
On 10/22/19 2:51 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote: > Hi All, > > > On 2019/10/21 18:42, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> If we consider the access frequency, it might actually not be that >> bad. Consider a simple example with 500 files and two directory >> buckets. If we ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-21 Thread Richard Yao
> On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:51 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Sat, 2019-10-19 at 19:24 -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: >>> On 10/18/2019 09:41, Michał Górny wrote: >>> Hi, everybody. >>> >>> It is my pleasure to announce that yesterday (EU) evening we've switched >>> to a new distfile mirror layout.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-19 Thread Richard Yao
> On Oct 19, 2019, at 4:03 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Sat, 2019-10-19 at 15:26 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 9:10 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >>> >>>  >>>>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-19 Thread Richard Yao
> On Oct 18, 2019, at 9:10 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > >  >>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 15:53 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >>>>&g

Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-19 Thread Richard Yao
> On Oct 19, 2019, at 2:17 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 21:09 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 15:53 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>>>&g

Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-18 Thread Richard Yao
> On Oct 18, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 15:53 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>>>>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >>>>> Hi, everybody. >>>>> It is my pleasure to announce that yest

Re: [gentoo-dev] New distfile mirror layout

2019-10-18 Thread Richard Yao
> On Oct 18, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Hi, everybody. > > It is my pleasure to announce that yesterday (EU) evening we've switched > to a new distfile mirror layout. Users will be switching to the new > layout either as they upgrade Portage to 2.3.77 or -- if they upgraded >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Adding 'GPL-2-only', 'GPL-3-only' etc. license variants for better auditing

2019-09-22 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 21, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Hi, > > TL;DR: I'd like to replace 'GPL-2' with 'GPL-2-only' etc., having > the former trigger QA warning asking the dev to double-check if it's > 'GPL-2-only' or 'GPL-2+'. > > > GNU Licenses currently don't carry an upgrade clause -- i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Killing ~x86-fbsd?

2019-01-28 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm going to keep this short. Gentoo/FreeBSD is on life support for > quite some time already. The little work happening around it is all > focused on amd64. I'm not aware of any developer running ~x86-fbsd > at this point, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] C++ standard in ebuilds

2018-09-18 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov > wrote: > > I'd prefer to wait another replies on the list for the main theme of this e- > mail, but this problem also affects C (so, as **c**flags and C standards), so > solution shoudn't be c++ specific, imho. You would think that,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 7:07 PM, Sergei Trofimovich wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:54:57 -0400 > Richard Yao wrote: > >>>> My read of this is that the warning occurs regardless of optimization >>>> level, but it could somehow be improved by optimiza

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > > On 15-09-2018 00:07:12 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps, if one persists on going this route, only do this for platforms >>> that upstream supports, such that arches which will suffer from this >>> (typically ppc, sparc, ...)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 09/14/2018 03:58 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >>> >>> No one has answered the question: what do you do when a stable package >>> breaks because of a new warning? >>> >>> .

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> On 09/14/2018 01:52 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> Wouldn't the flip side of this be demonstrating that this has actually >> caused issues? If following upstream discovers no bugs and also >> causes no issues, why not leave it to mai

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
On 09/13/2018 07:36 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > > >> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: >> >>> On 2018-09-12 16:50, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> There is also the case where we want these warnings to block >>> installation, because t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
On 09/13/2018 12:03 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 13-09-2018 07:36:09 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> >>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: >>> >>>> On 2018-09-12 16:50, Rich Freeman wrote: >>>> There is also the cas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
On 09/14/2018 12:40 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:34 AM Sergei Trofimovich wrote: >> >> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:44:38 +0300 >> Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> >> I'm personally in favour of not allowing -Werror >> to be in build system unconditionally. >> >> Maintainer is free to imp

[gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:54 PM, Georg Rudoy <0xd34df...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 14.09.2018 at 0:44 user Richard Yao wrote: >> This is a really odd design decision by the GCC developers. With other >> compilers, the separation between front end and backend is s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:44 PM Richard Yao wrote: >>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:21 PM, Matt Turner wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:13 PM Richard Yao wrote: >>>>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-13 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:21 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:13 PM Richard Yao wrote: >>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: >>> >>>> On 13-09-2018 07:36:09 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>>> >>&

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-13 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > >> On 13-09-2018 07:36:09 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> >>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2018-09-12 16:50, Rich Freeman wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] acceptable alternatives to -Werror, was: Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-13 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn > wrote: > > Rich Freeman schrieb: >>> Requirements: >>> >>> * Do not fail to build/install when a warning is encountered >> On a particularly critical package like a filesystem, wouldn't we want >> to still fail to install when a w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-13 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > >> On 2018-09-12 16:50, Rich Freeman wrote: >> There is also the case where we want these warnings to block >> installation, because the risk of there being a problem is too great. > > I really disagree with that. So many devs have al

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-12 Thread Richard Yao
On Sep 12, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> If a package really ought to have >> -Werror due to a very good reason and is properly maintained to support it, >> then there is nothing wrong with inventing a USE flag to give users the >> option of enforcing that. > > There is somet

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-10 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > > > >>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/10/18 11:21 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >>>> On 9/10/18 11:19 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-10 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > >> On 9/10/18 11:21 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >>> On 9/10/18 11:19 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: >>> It is indeed an insurmountable task to write code that is warning-free >>> from the beginning across architectures

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-10 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn > wrote: > > Fabian Groffen schrieb: >>> On 09-09-2018 11:22:41 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>> -Werror has caught bugs that could have resulted in data loss in ZFS in the >>> past thanks to it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-10 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > > Ühel kenal päeval, E, 10.09.2018 kell 22:56, kirjutas Kristian > Fiskerstrand: >>> On 9/10/18 10:51 PM, Matt Turner wrote: >>> Consider again the bug that started this. The maintainer had not >>> built >>> this configuration. None of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-10 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: > >> On 09-09-2018 11:22:41 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >> -Werror has caught bugs that could have resulted in data loss in ZFS in the >> past thanks to it being built in userspace as part of zdb. So it is useful &

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 9, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > > > >> On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> >> On Sun, 2018-09-09 at 11:22 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >>>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Yao
On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Sun, 09 Sep 2018, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > >> What I'm trying to do is to allow maintainers to keep -Werror if >> they really want to do this, understand what they are doing and >> have enough manpower to support this. > > Bug 665

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-09-09 at 11:22 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Our current -Werror policy demands unconditional re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-09-09 at 11:22 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Our current -Werror policy demands unconditional re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Yao
> On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > Hi! > > Our current -Werror policy demands unconditional removal: > https://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/common-mistakes/index.html#-werror-compiler-flag-not-removed > > I think this is wrong, see bugs 665464, 665538 for a rece

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo i486 support

2018-08-22 Thread Richard Yao
On 08/22/2018 08:26 AM, Ben Kohler wrote: > Hi guys, > > For some time now, we've been shipping broken i486 stage3s that do not > run on pre-i686 hardware [1].  Due to a change in catalyst [2], we no > longer set CXXFLAGS in the default make.conf, so the x86 profiles' (imho > wrong/broken) default

Re: [gentoo-dev] Experimental 2-step authentication support on dev.gentoo.org

2018-08-09 Thread Richard Yao
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:27 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Hi, everyone. > > Just a short notice: we've enabled experimental support for 2-step > authentication when logging in to woodpecker via SSH. For more details, > see [1]. Awesome. I had no idea that the hooks for this were in place. > > TL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs

2018-08-05 Thread Richard Yao
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 2:12 PM Richard Yao wrote: >> >> >> Prestige is good. We have prestige from our (myself and a few others) work >> in upstream ZFS and Gentoo is well respected there. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs

2018-08-05 Thread Richard Yao
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM Alec Warner wrote: >> >> >> Part of my frustration is that seemingly "anything open source related >> can be held in Gentoo" and I'm somewhat against that as I feel it >> dilutes the Gentoo mission. We are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs

2018-08-05 Thread Richard Yao
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> >>> On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:59 AM, Alec Warner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018

Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs

2018-08-05 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jun 23, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Jonas Stein wrote: > >> On 2018-06-23 04:57, Marty E. Plummer wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 09:50:50PM -0500, Marty E. Plummer wrote: >>> So, as you may be aware I've been doing some work on moving bzip2 to an >>> autotools based build. Recently I've ran int

Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs

2018-08-05 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:59 AM, Alec Warner wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 3:30 AM, Marty E. Plummer >> wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 09:22:00AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: >> > W dniu pią, 22.06.2018 o godzinie 21∶50 -0500, użytkownik Marty E. >> > Plummer napisał: >> > > So, as

[gentoo-dev] Cross compilation tracker bug

2018-08-03 Thread Richard Yao
I have opened a tracker bug for cross compilation issues: https://bugs.gentoo.org/662714 Bugs on packages that fail to build with crossdev and patches for those bugs are more than welcome. :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:11 PM Richard Yao wrote: >> >> Is it a violation of the FHS? /usr is for readonly data and the portage tree >> is generally readonly, except when being updated. The same is true

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > W dniu śro, 11.07.2018 o godzinie 18∶11 -0400, użytkownik Richard Yao > napisał: >>>> On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:34 PM Richard Y

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:34 PM Richard Yao wrote: >> >> On my system, /usr/portage is a separate mountpoint. There is no need to >> have on,h top level directories be separate mountpoints. > > It

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:42 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 04:25:20PM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>> On 07/11/2018 03:29 AM, Jory A. Pratt wrote: >>>> On 07/10/18 16:35, M. J. Everitt wrote: >>>>> On 10/07/18 21:09, Willia

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 11, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:36 AM Raymond Jennings wrote: >> >> I do think it would be a wise idea to "grandfather" the current layout >> for awhile. >> > > I don't see why we would ever stop supporting it, at least in general. > Mayb

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree

2018-07-11 Thread Richard Yao
On 07/11/2018 03:29 AM, Jory A. Pratt wrote: > On 07/10/18 16:35, M. J. Everitt wrote: >> On 10/07/18 21:09, William Hubbs wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:54:35PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 09/07/18 23:12, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 07

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH v3 00/12] GLEP 63 update

2018-07-06 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jul 5, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Hi, > > Here's third version of the patches. I've incorporated the feedback > so far and reordered the patches (again) to restore their > degree-of-compatibility order. The full text is included below. > > > Michał Górny (12): > glep-

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: making ebuilds that provide mkfs.* programs include kernel config checks for fcaps (or other xattrs)

2018-06-29 Thread Richard Yao
On 06/29/2018 11:43 AM, Zac Medico wrote: > Hi, > > As suggested by Wojciech Myrda in bug 659486 [1], it would be helpful if > sys-fs/e2fsprogs would use the linux-info eclass to warn if the kernel > configuration doesn't include CONFIG_EXT4_FS_SECURITY=y when the user > has expressed a desire to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Hostile takeover of our github mirror. Don't use ebuild from there until new warning!

2018-06-28 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > > >> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) >> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I just want to notify that an attacker has taken control of the Gentoo >> organiz

Re: [gentoo-dev] Hostile takeover of our github mirror. Don't use ebuild from there until new warning!

2018-06-28 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) > wrote: > > Hi! > > I just want to notify that an attacker has taken control of the Gentoo > organization in Github and has among other things replaced the portage > and musl-dev trees with malicious versions of the ebu

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc-2.26 just went stable (on amd64)

2018-06-02 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jun 2, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > As a heads-up, glibc-2.26 just went stable on amd64. > > If you still have open bugs, they now mutate from "doesn't build with > glibc-2.26" to "doesn't build, treecleaning candidate". Not necessarily. If it builds on Gentoo FreeBS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly x11@ project status for June 2018

2018-06-02 Thread Richard Yao
> On Jun 1, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > > x11@ is currently assigned or cc'd on 176 bugs. This number is down from > 222 on April 1st and more than 412 in February 2015 (I reported this on > #gentoo-desktop after closing out a bunch of bugs that day). Awesome! > > > == Fix x11-bas

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Portage fork: sys-apps/portage-mgorny

2018-05-27 Thread Richard Yao
> On May 22, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > W dniu sob, 19.05.2018 o godzinie 18∶53 +0300, użytkownik Consus > napisał: >> Okay, this >> >>https://github.com/mgorny/portage-mgorny/issues/15 >> >> is a goddamn piece of sanity that Portage requires for a long time and >> and it w

[gentoo-dev] Most of my packages up for grabs

2018-03-15 Thread Richard Yao
My past jobs have worn me out, which combined with upstream work, caused me to become minimally active for some time. I am in the middle of some changes to my life that will likely change that, but I don't use most of the packages that I maintain anymore and they have gotten very little attention s

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
>> On Apr 6, 2016, at 4:43 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 11:52:52AM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: >>> On 04/06/2016 10:58 AM, M. J. Everitt wrote: >>> What, if any, is the benefit of squashing /usr out of the equation? I >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] GitHub GPG Signature Verification

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
On 04/06/2016 01:52 PM, NP-Hardass wrote: > Greetings all, > > As of yesterday, GitHub now supports GPG signature verification [1]. > As a result, when viewed through the GitHub mirror, all commits now > have a widget that displays whether the GPG signature has been > verified (via GitHub). To he

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
On 04/06/2016 12:33 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > On 04/06/2016 12:20 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: >> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 6:06:35 PM CEST, Richard Yao wrote: >> >>> That is unless you put per-system state in /usr/local, do symlinks to it >>> in / and mount /usr/lo

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
On 04/06/2016 12:20 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 6:06:35 PM CEST, Richard Yao wrote: > >> That is unless you put per-system state in /usr/local, do symlinks to it >> in / and mount /usr/local as part of system boot, which is the other way >> of d

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
On 04/06/2016 12:06 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > On 04/06/2016 11:11 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: >> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:58:05 PM CEST, M. J. Everitt wrote: >>> What, if any, is the benefit of squashing /usr out of the equation? I >>> happen to have a few workstatio

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
On 04/06/2016 11:11 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 4:58:05 PM CEST, M. J. Everitt wrote: >> What, if any, is the benefit of squashing /usr out of the equation? I >> happen to have a few workstations that load their /usr off an NFS share >> presently, > > > This is precise

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
On 04/06/2016 10:58 AM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > What, if any, is the benefit of squashing /usr out of the equation? I > happen to have a few workstations that load their /usr off an NFS share > presently, with some bodgery-workarounds I did pre the udev notification > about initramfs's which I have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
On 04/06/2016 01:34 AM, Duncan wrote: > Richard Yao posted on Wed, 06 Apr 2016 00:15:58 -0400 as excerpted: > > >>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:19 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I thought that since the usr merge is coming up again,

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 6:15:58 AM CEST, Richard Yao wrote: >>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:19 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >>> All, >>> I thought that since the usr merge is coming up again, and since I lo

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-06 Thread Richard Yao
> On Apr 6, 2016, at 4:55 AM, James Le Cuirot wrote: > > On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:42:04 +0200 > Alexis Ballier wrote: > >>> This was invented in Solaris and copied by RHEL. The upgrade >>> path for the /usr merge on those systems is a complete >>> reinstall. Upgrading from RHEL6 to RHEL7 this

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-05 Thread Richard Yao
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:19 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > All, > > I thought that since the usr merge is coming up again, and since I lost > track of the message where it was brought up, I would open a > new thread to discuss it. > > When it came up before, some were saying that the /usr merge vi

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: upgrading to Plasma 5

2016-04-03 Thread Richard Yao
On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 03:34:07AM +1000, Michael Palimaka wrote: > Hi, > > KDE team intends to stabilise Plasma 5 shortly, so please review the > accompanying news items. > > Regards, > > Michael > > Title: KDE Plasma 5 Upgrade > Author: Michael Palimaka > Content-Type: text/plain > Posted: 2

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Does OpenRC really need mount-ro

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/17/2016 02:01 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:18:46 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >>> >>> The failure message comes from rc-mount.sh when the list of PIDs using a >>> mountpoint includes "$$" which is shell shorthand f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: Does OpenRC really need mount-ro

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/17/2016 01:32 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> >> Genkernel's initramfs generation was what we endorsed for the most >> part, until dracut came around. it's hard to say what "most" are >> doing but i expect dracut and genkernel based init

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: Does OpenRC really need mount-ro

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/17/2016 12:19 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >> Systemd installs that go back into the initramfs at shutdown are rare >> because there is a >> hook for the initramfs to tell systemd that it should re-exec it and very

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/17/2016 01:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> This is something that I think many of us who had systems broken by >> sys-fs/udev multiple times before sys-fs/eudev was an option thought was >> obvious. > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/17/2016 11:16 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:38:05 +0100 > Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > >> Michał Górny schrieb: With the exception that Lennart Poettering is the lead developer of systemd/udev, while such a thing cannot be said about you and eudev. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
ng order of default virtual/udev provider > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > >> >> >> eudev has every commit scrutinized by people who care about using it on >> Gentoo. systemd-udev does not. Consequently, eudev has avoided the system >&g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > > >> On Feb 17, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Ben Kohler wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >>> >>> >>> eudev has every commit scrutinize

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Ben Kohler wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> >> eudev has every commit scrutinized by people who care about using it on >> Gentoo. systemd-udev does not. Consequently, eude

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: Does OpenRC really need mount-ro

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > > William Hubbs posted on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:41:29 -0600 as excerpted: > >> What I'm trying to figure out is, what to do about re-mounting file >> systems read-only. >> >> How does systemd do this? I didn't find an equivale

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Does OpenRC really need mount-ro

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >> >> The failure message comes from rc-mount.sh when the list of PIDs using a >> mountpoint includes "$$" which is shell shorthand for self. How can the >> current shell claim to be u

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Does OpenRC really need mount-ro

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 1:41 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 01:22:13PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:05 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >>> >>> The reason it exists is very vague to me; I think it has something to do >>> with claims of data loss in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Does OpenRC really need mount-ro

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 1:05 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > All, > > I have a bug that points out a significant issue with > /etc/init.d/mount-ro in OpenRC. > > Apparently, there are issues that cause it to not work properly for file > systems which happen to be pre-mounted from an initramfs [1].

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Ben Kohler wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> I have no idea why we are even discussing the choice of default for >> virtual/udev to have subdiscussions about kdbus. Practically ever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 5:52 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:00:27 -0500 > Richard Yao wrote: > >>> On 02/08/2016 10:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Anthony G. Basile >> wrote: >>>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 07:53:22 -0500 > Richard Yao wrote: > >>> On Feb 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:41:33 +0100 >>> Chí-Thanh Christop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 1:37 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:54:31 -0500 > Richard Yao wrote: > >>> On 02/08/2016 07:46 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 10:08:22 +0100 >>> Patrick Lauer wrote: >>> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 5:34 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > Dnia 17 lutego 2016 05:00:27 CET, Richard Yao napisał(a): >>> On 02/08/2016 10:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Anthony G. Basile >> wrote: >>>> >>>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >> >> If userbase is what matters to you, then OpenRC+eudev won. It is the >> logical choice for those concerned about userbase because that is what

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Yao
> On Feb 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:41:33 +0100 > Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > >> Alexis Ballier schrieb: > If it's just that, it's not limited to udev, but anything using > kdbus/bus1, and would mean openrc/${favorite init system} wil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-16 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/08/2016 10:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: >> >> what does in-house tool mean? i'm a gentoo developer but i also work >> on an upstream project (eudev) that 14 distros use. >> >> some of the criticism given here are my concerns as well a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-16 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/08/2016 07:46 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 10:08:22 +0100 > Patrick Lauer wrote: > >> Ohey, >> >> I've opened a bug at: >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573922 >> >> The idea here is to change the order of the providers of virtual/udev. >> For existing installs thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-16 Thread Richard Yao
On 02/08/2016 04:08 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Ohey, > > I've opened a bug at: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573922 > > The idea here is to change the order of the providers of virtual/udev. > For existing installs this has zero impact. > For stage3 this would mean that eudev is pulle

[gentoo-dev] Change in Gentoo ZFS packaging policy

2016-01-04 Thread Richard Yao
Skip GPL-only symbols test when cross-compiling Ned Bass (1): Prevent SA length overflow Olaf Faaland (1): Remove "index" column from dbufstat.py Richard Yao (5): ClusterHQ Proposed API extensions Only trigger SET_ERROR tracepoint event on error

[gentoo-dev] New license: CROSSOVER-3

2015-12-08 Thread Richard Yao
Earlier this year, I spoke with Codeweavers' CEO, Jeremy White, about changing their license terms so that we could remove RESTRICT=fetch from app-emulation/crossover-bin. Robin Johnson and I also discussed it then. The main issue was the requirement that users delete the software after the trial

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce ppc64le architecture into gentoo ! please share your comments

2015-11-23 Thread Richard Yao
On 10/21/2015 04:55 AM, Kevin Zhao wrote: > Hi Guys, We have finish compiling stage3 for ppc64 (little-endian).Here is > the link: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2k84p6709AyTFlwLUF1WjlxUk0/view?usp=sharing Awesome! > Now we are going to build LiveCD using stage3. Could you help to give

[gentoo-dev] What is the status of phone/tablet support?

2015-09-12 Thread Richard Yao
I asked in #gentoo-embedded on freenode, but I would like to pose this question to a wider auidence through the list. What is the status of phone/tablet support? In specific, I am curious about: * Modern hardware options (especially those without a hardware keyboard) * Status of F/OSS drivers * X

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-28 Thread Richard Yao
On 09/27/2014 07:39 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 09/27/14 18:46, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> What is really needed here is a vote by the Council on whether to add bc >>> back to the stage3. If the people do insist, another vote regarding >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new set of profiles/default/linux/uclibc

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Yao
On Thu 14 Aug 2014 12:04:10 PM EDT, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm going to add a new set of profiles under default linux. These > will mirror what's already under hardened and will have the structure: > > default/linux/uclibc/{amd64,arm,mips,ppc,x86} > > Currently I maintain

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] Returning dev: Thomas Alan Gall (tgall)

2014-07-14 Thread Richard Yao
Welcome back! :) On 07/14/2014 04:26 AM, Justin (jlec) wrote: > Hi everyone, > > we have an returning oldtimer here, Thomas Gall aka. tgall. His original > bug has been opened in 2003, so he knows gentoo from the early days. > > He is joining the arm team now and will stabilize mostly for arm64,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-27 Thread Richard Yao
On Sun 27 Apr 2014 08:40:08 PM EDT, "C. Bergström" wrote: > In terms of general performance gains using LTO - The #1 candidate > would be the linux kernel actually. See if anyone can get that to work ;) Intel's Andi Kleen is working on it: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/03450.ht

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