Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 07/28/2017 12:44 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Andreas K. Huettel > mailto:dilfri...@gentoo.org>> wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017, 01:22:44 CEST schrieb Peter Stuge: > > > > I hold a perhaps radical view: I would like to simply remove stable.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Andreas K. Huettel > wrote: >> >> Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017, 01:22:44 CEST schrieb Peter Stuge: >> > >> > I hold a perhaps radical view: I would like to simply remove stable. >> > >> > I continue to feel tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 21:45:57 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. posted on Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:10:42 -0400 as > excerpted: > > > It seems odd that upstream will release a package. Just for > > downstream to consider it not stable. Did it get messed up during

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Duncan
William L. Thomson Jr. posted on Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:10:42 -0400 as excerpted: > It seems odd that upstream will release a package. Just for downstream > to consider it not stable. Did it get messed up during packaging? Did it > get messed up by the distro? The whole lag thing does not make sense

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:12:26 -0500 "A. Wilcox" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 28/07/17 15:10, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Gentoo is as stable as YOU make it > > And by "YOU", that would be the people writing ebuilds and committing > them without te

[gentoo-dev] Project:Bazaar has no members now!

2017-07-28 Thread Michał Górny
Hi, everyone. It seems that recently the last member has left the Bazaar project [1]. FWICS, the project was focused on maintaining packages related to Bazaar VCS (list below). I'm not sure if that's really a worthwhile reason to run a whole project -- we don't have git, Mercurial and so on projec

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William Hubbs
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:03:25PM -0500, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > When in the last 16 years was this 2 year period of running stable? > > The general state of QA has varied quite a bit over that time. > > > > I would say 3 or 4 years ag

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread David Seifert
On Fri, 2017-07-28 at 15:59 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 23:10:35 +1000 > "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote: > > > On 28 July 2017 8:44:20 PM AEST, "Andreas K. Huettel" > > wrote: > > > > > That's not feasible. It would kill off any semi-professional or > > > professional

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread A. Wilcox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 28/07/17 15:10, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Gentoo is as stable as YOU make it And by "YOU", that would be the people writing ebuilds and committing them without test suites or integration testing of any kind. The devs who yell and compl

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Gentoo is as stable as YOU make it I have run Gentoo exclusively as well for 14+ years, since ~2003. While my production servers are all mostly stable, none are 100%. All production systems have some ~arch packages, usually mine. Development network and desktops/laptops have always been ~arch.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 23:10:35 +1000 "Sam Jorna (wraeth)" wrote: > On 28 July 2017 8:44:20 PM AEST, "Andreas K. Huettel" > wrote: > > >That's not feasible. It would kill off any semi-professional or > >professional > >Gentoo use, where a minimum of stability is required. > > > >(Try keeping ~10

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017, 01:22:44 CEST schrieb Peter Stuge: > > > > I hold a perhaps radical view: I would like to simply remove stable. > > > > I continue to feel that maintaining two worlds (stable+unstable) > > carries with it an

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Sam Jorna (wraeth)
On 28 July 2017 8:44:20 PM AEST, "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: >Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017, 01:22:44 CEST schrieb Peter Stuge: >> >> I hold a perhaps radical view: I would like to simply remove stable. >> >> I continue to feel that maintaining two worlds (stable+unstable) >> carries with it an

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Marek Szuba
On 2017-07-28 12:43, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> I continue to feel that maintaining two worlds (stable+unstable) >> carries with it an unneccessary cost. > That's not feasible. It would kill off any semi-professional or > professional Gentoo use, where a minimum of stability is required. This.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?

2017-07-28 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017, 01:22:44 CEST schrieb Peter Stuge: > > I hold a perhaps radical view: I would like to simply remove stable. > > I continue to feel that maintaining two worlds (stable+unstable) > carries with it an unneccessary cost. > That's not feasible. It would kill off any semi-

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow

2017-07-28 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017, 10:05:06 CEST schrieb Michał Górny: > Hi, everyone. > > There have been multiple attempts at grasping this but none so far > resulted in something official and indisputable. At the same time, we > end having to point our users at semi-official guides which change > in u