Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libuv: libuv-1.2.1.ebuild ChangeLog

2015-01-17 Thread hasufell
Patrick Lauer: > On Saturday 17 January 2015 17:25:15 hasufell wrote: >> Patrick Lauer: >>> On Friday 16 January 2015 18:29:08 hasufell wrote: Patrick Lauer: > On 01/16/15 23:26, hasufell wrote: >> Patrick Lauer (patrick): >>> patrick 15/01/16 04:16:55 >>> >>> Modifie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/17/2015 04:46 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Saturday 17 January 2015 13:12:56 Zac Medico wrote: >> On 01/17/2015 03:35 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >>> * Portage is too slow >>> >>> On 'small' hardware emerge -upNDv @world can take enough time >>> to make updates prohibitive - on an 800Mh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libuv: libuv-1.2.1.ebuild ChangeLog

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 January 2015 17:25:15 hasufell wrote: > Patrick Lauer: > > On Friday 16 January 2015 18:29:08 hasufell wrote: > >> Patrick Lauer: > >>> On 01/16/15 23:26, hasufell wrote: > Patrick Lauer (patrick): > > patrick 15/01/16 04:16:55 > > > > Modified: Ch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 January 2015 13:12:56 Zac Medico wrote: > On 01/17/2015 03:35 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > * Portage is too slow > > > > On 'small' hardware emerge -upNDv @world can take enough time > > to make updates prohibitive - on an 800Mhz machine it took me > > about 3 days to fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 January 2015 14:00:34 William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 01:44:21PM +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > > * Stage3 archives are too fat > > > > > > See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531632 > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 January 2015 15:03:05 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:58:33 +0800 > > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > On Saturday 17 January 2015 14:32:03 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:03:30 +0800 > > > > > > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > > > Last time I tested paludis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:00 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 01:44:21PM +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: >> > * Stage3 archives are too fat >> > See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531632 >> > We're now shi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Zac Medico
On 01/17/2015 03:35 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > * Portage is too slow > On 'small' hardware emerge -upNDv @world can take enough time > to make updates prohibitive - on an 800Mhz machine it took me > about 3 days to figure out a solution to some silly blockers due to the > very slo

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: rox-base/* and rox-extra/*; rox.eclass and rox-0install.eclass

2015-01-17 Thread Manuel Rüger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 # Manuel Rüger (17 Jan 2015) # Unmaintained. Old eclasses, EAPIs and various bugs. # See bug #533642 # Removal in 30 days. rox-base/mime-editor rox-base/oroborox rox-base/pager rox-base/rox rox-base/rox-autostart rox-base/rox-clib rox-base/rox-la

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Sergei Trofimovich
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 19:35:09 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > * AutoRepoman catches issues, but no one but me seems to care > Fix: Remind people of > http://packages.gentooexperimental.org/repoman-current-issues.txt I've tweaked two random things in this list :) Thank you! -- Sergei sign

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread William Hubbs
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 01:44:21PM +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > * Stage3 archives are too fat > > See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531632 > > We're now shipping three python versions and glib for extra fun! > > Fi

[gentoo-dev] keywording gcc-4.9 branch

2015-01-17 Thread Anthony G. Basile
Hi everyone, It looks like there aren't too many bugs against gcc-4.9 (bug #495124). There are a couple having to do with lto and one which is hardened specific, but its probably a good idea to start keywording on the various arches so we can get more bug reports and not trail behind. So I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libuv: libuv-1.2.1.ebuild ChangeLog

2015-01-17 Thread Peter Stuge
Patrick Lauer wrote: > > Do you, as QA team member, think that a review workflow improves quality? > > No. > > Bureaucracy does not improve quality by itself. A review workflow isn't about bureaucracy, it's about review. :) Now, review means different things to different people, and some will s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libuv: libuv-1.2.1.ebuild ChangeLog

2015-01-17 Thread hasufell
Patrick Lauer: > On Friday 16 January 2015 18:29:08 hasufell wrote: >> Patrick Lauer: >>> On 01/16/15 23:26, hasufell wrote: Patrick Lauer (patrick): > patrick 15/01/16 04:16:55 > > Modified: ChangeLog > Added:libuv-1.2.1.ebuild > Log:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Peter Stuge
Patrick Lauer wrote: > they can all be fixed. > > Let's not tolerate mediocrity. All you can do is to try to set an example, but you'll likely find that most of the time, nobody is willing to live with the tradeoffs for excellence - the obvious one being perceived slower development. Countless o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2015-01-17, o godz. 19:35:09 Patrick Lauer napisał(a): > Here's a random unsorted list of things that it would make sense to be upset > about. Some issues that people have successfully ignored for a few years ... > > In no way exhaustive list, feel free to remember a dozen things I forgot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 19:49:24 +0400 Сергей wrote: > Any random user can tell you: -u means UPDATE, -D means DEEP (follow > dependencies). And what do those actually mean? -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:33:45 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: > Oh, this was discussed so many times already... There is NO single > correct solution to such problems. And some mathematically correct > solutions are impractical (e.g. half of the tree rebuild), so other > ones which are good enough ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> * AutoRepoman catches on average maybe 2 user-visible breakages. > Fix: Make repoman faster (tree-wide scans take ~2 CPU-hours) > Fix: Remind people that using repoman is not optional Fix: Make more repoman warnings fatal. Please. Fix: Make the QA team deliver a friendly but stern warni

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:45:51 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:39:29 +0300 > Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > There is some progress here. In portage-2.2.15 profile based > > optimizations are included (see bugs 529660, 530010). On my > > hardware (Athlon-XP, 2200 MHz and Intel Atom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:59:08 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > > The problem isn't the constants, though. The problem is the > > resolution algorithm. There's not much point tweaking performance > > until the resolver is fixed to produce a correct answer... > > Patches welcome :) If I send you a patc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:58:33 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Saturday 17 January 2015 14:32:03 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:03:30 +0800 > > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > > Last time I tested paludis it was slower > > > > You've yet to do a like-for-like comparison... > > Hello h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 January 2015 14:45:51 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:39:29 +0300 > > Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > There is some progress here. In portage-2.2.15 profile based > > optimizations are included (see bugs 529660, 530010). On my > > hardware (Athlon-XP, 2200 MHz and Intel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 January 2015 14:32:03 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:03:30 +0800 > > Patrick Lauer wrote: > > Last time I tested paludis it was slower > > You've yet to do a like-for-like comparison... Hello hostile upstream. It was as "like for like" as possible, even when the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libuv: libuv-1.2.1.ebuild ChangeLog

2015-01-17 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Samstag, 17. Januar 2015, 01:56:01 schrieb Patrick Lauer: > On Friday 16 January 2015 18:29:08 hasufell wrote: > > Patrick Lauer: > > > On 01/16/15 23:26, hasufell wrote: > > >> Patrick Lauer (patrick): > > >>> patrick 15/01/16 04:16:55 > > >>> > > >>> Modified: ChangeLog > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:39:29 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: > There is some progress here. In portage-2.2.15 profile based > optimizations are included (see bugs 529660, 530010). On my > hardware (Athlon-XP, 2200 MHz and Intel Atom N270, 1600 MHz) they > speed up dependency resolution by ~ factor 2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 19:35:09 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > * Portage is too slow > On 'small' hardware emerge -upNDv @world can take enough time > to make updates prohibitive - on an 800Mhz machine it took me > about 3 days to figure out a solution to some silly blockers due to the >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:03:30 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > Last time I tested paludis it was slower You've yet to do a like-for-like comparison... -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 17-01-2015 a las 13:44 +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman escribió: [...] > Also, I hate something like > "['dev-python/restkit[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,-python_single_target_python2_7(-)]']". > What the hell kind of warning is that? I guess maybe these are the > results of USE_EXPAND trickery and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 17-01-2015 a las 19:35 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió: [...] > * stable genkernel still doesn't enable all useful kernel features >e.g. accounting statistics are absent, so iotop doesn't work ootb >See for example #442936 (from 2012 ?!) >Fix: Stable newer versions > I see there

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Most issues are transient, often fixed with either a keywording bug, or > careful > masking of useflags / pruning of old versions. Per-maintainer doesn't really > make sense as most issues are indirect - things like "removing package.mask >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Saturday 17 January 2015 13:44:21 Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > > * AutoRepoman catches issues, but no one but me seems to care > > > > Fix: Remind people of > > http://packages.gentooexperimental.org/repoman-current-issues.txt > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > In no way exhaustive list, feel free to remember a dozen things I forgot ;) > (If you suggest other things please try to offer constructive criticism, > i.e. possible strategies to fix issues ... whining by itself is not very > useful) I th

[gentoo-dev] Things one could be upset about

2015-01-17 Thread Patrick Lauer
Here's a random unsorted list of things that it would make sense to be upset about. Some issues that people have successfully ignored for a few years ... In no way exhaustive list, feel free to remember a dozen things I forgot ;) (If you suggest other things please try to offer constructive criti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-libs/libuv: libuv-1.2.1.ebuild ChangeLog

2015-01-17 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/17/2015 05:09 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 08:56:01 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: >> On Friday 16 January 2015 18:29:08 hasufell wrote: >>> Patrick Lauer: On 01/16/15 23:26, hasufell wrote: > Patrick Lauer (patrick):