Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread William Hubbs
All, this discussion got side-tracked into gcc, which was not my intent; let's go back to my specific question about glibc. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:22:41PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > some of such software is > > binary, some other is too large to be updated regularly. > > Please giv

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:22:41 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014, 17:20:31 schrieb Andrew Savchenko: > > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:11:01 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > [...] > > > > > (On a related note, do we really need gcc 2.95.3-r10, 3.3.6-r1, 3.4.6-r2, > > > 4.0.4

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014, 17:20:31 schrieb Andrew Savchenko: > >> And please don't say "just fix it", > > I'm not saying "just fix it", I'm saying "... and of course you will happily > join toolchain team and/or maintain the single g

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014, 18:24:32 schrieb Anthony G. Basile: > > Well the side effect of this is that arcane and unmaintainable bandworms > > like toolchain.eclass are generated, with dozens of case distinctions > > for packages that *nearly* noone needs. Yes it's fine to keep old things > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014, 17:20:31 schrieb Andrew Savchenko: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:11:01 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > [...] > > > (On a related note, do we really need gcc 2.95.3-r10, 3.3.6-r1, 3.4.6-r2, > > 4.0.4, 4.1.2, 4.2.4-r1, 4.3.6-r1, 4.4.7, 4.5.1-r1, 4.5.2, 4.5.3-r2, > > 4.5.4,

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:11:01 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > [...] >> (On a related note, do we really need gcc 2.95.3-r10, 3.3.6-r1, 3.4.6-r2, >> 4.0.4, 4.1.2, 4.2.4-r1, 4.3.6-r1, 4.4.7, 4.5.1-r1, 4.5.2, 4.5.3-r2, 4.5.4, >> 4.6.0, 4.6.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 12/22/14 10:39, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:04 AM, William Hubbs >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 03:18:01PM +0100, Matthias Maier wrote: IMHO, maintaining a sensible set of old glibc versi

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 12/22/14 11:20, Andrew Savchenko wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:11:01 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: [...] (On a related note, do we really need gcc 2.95.3-r10, 3.3.6-r1, 3.4.6-r2, 4.0.4, 4.1.2, 4.2.4-r1, 4.3.6-r1, 4.4.7, 4.5.1-r1, 4.5.2, 4.5.3-r2, 4.5.4, 4.6.0, 4.6.1-r1, 4.6.2, 4.6.3, 4.6.4,

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 12/22/14 11:11, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014, 16:52:22 schrieb Anthony G. Basile: Please let's not "tidy up" gentoo. That "old" stuff is useful even if its not useful to those who don't see a use for it. Let the maintainers decide if they want to put effort into ke

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Matthias Maier
> +1 for an "archive overlay" This sounds like a reasonable compromise. For the toolchain.eclass problem you mentioned. We could just version the eclass as needed, something like toolchain-crossdev-vX.eclass. With this development on the main repository is independent and we would still have old

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:11:01 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: [...] > (On a related note, do we really need gcc 2.95.3-r10, 3.3.6-r1, 3.4.6-r2, > 4.0.4, 4.1.2, 4.2.4-r1, 4.3.6-r1, 4.4.7, 4.5.1-r1, 4.5.2, 4.5.3-r2, 4.5.4, > 4.6.0, 4.6.1-r1, 4.6.2, 4.6.3, 4.6.4, 4.7.0, 4.7.1, 4.7.2-r1, 4.7.3-r1, >

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014, 16:52:22 schrieb Anthony G. Basile: > > Please let's not "tidy up" gentoo. That "old" stuff is useful even if > its not useful to those who don't see a use for it. Let the maintainers > decide if they want to put effort into keeping it around. Well the side effect

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 12/22/14 10:39, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:04 AM, William Hubbs wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 03:18:01PM +0100, Matthias Maier wrote: IMHO, maintaining a sensible set of old glibc versions of the last 5 years makes sense, and we should try to support it: We have a gene

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:04 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 03:18:01PM +0100, Matthias Maier wrote: >> IMHO, maintaining a sensible set of old glibc versions of the last 5 >> years makes sense, and we should try to support it: > > We have a general policy in the distro that sa

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 03:18:01PM +0100, Matthias Maier wrote: > IMHO, maintaining a sensible set of old glibc versions of the last 5 > years makes sense, and we should try to support it: We have a general policy in the distro that says we only have to worry about one year. Besides that, linux-2.

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Matthias Maier
IMHO, maintaining a sensible set of old glibc versions of the last 5 years makes sense, and we should try to support it: > +1 from me. I cannot think of any scenario where we need to keep such > old glibc versions around. One scenario is to create a cross-compile toolchain with specific old versi

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Lars Wendler
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 09:28:48 -0600 William Hubbs wrote: >All, > >the following is a comment Mike made about the status of glibc in an >earlier thread on this list: > >On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 09:16:52AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> upstream glibc has dropped support for older Linux kernels. you

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: glibc versions prior to 2.19-r1

2014-12-22 Thread Sergey Popov
21.12.2014 22:26, Markos Chandras пишет: > On 12/21/2014 03:28 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> All, > >> the following is a comment Mike made about the status of glibc in >> an earlier thread on this list: > >> On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 09:16:52AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> upstream glibc has dro