[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/11/14 15:01, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: >> On 14/11/14 11:06, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> >>> Well, the idea would be to maintain the virtual INSTEAD of @system, or >>> have @system just pull in the virtual and make some arch-specific >>> ad

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-11-14 Thread Alice Ferrazzi
i'm interested on sys-apps/epoch, if no one takes it On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > Hello all > > Due to lack of time I'm giving up some packages. Feel free to take them: > > app-admin/ec2-ami-tools > app-admin/ec2-api-tools > These command-

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Duncan
Mike Gilbert posted on Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:55:10 -0500 as excerpted: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alexander Hof > wrote: >> Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka >>> wrote: On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Isn't it possible to disab

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Alexander Hof
hasufell wrote: >> Are we talking about forcing +cxx globally or for gcc (+toolchain)? >> >> Has this been a major problem in the past? Shouldn't people who set >> USE="-*" also "know what they are doing"? >> > > * don't ever assume that the user knows what he is doing > * still allow him to brea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread hasufell
On 11/14/2014 11:42 PM, Alexander Hof wrote: > Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> There are people that don't want c++ and gcc:4.7 can still bootstrap >>> without. >>> >> >> Those people "know what they are doing" and could un-force the use >> flag. That would prevent people from accidentally disabling it via

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Alexander Hof
Mike Gilbert wrote: >> There are people that don't want c++ and gcc:4.7 can still bootstrap >> without. >> > > Those people "know what they are doing" and could un-force the use > flag. That would prevent people from accidentally disabling it via > USE="-*". Are we talking about forcing +cxx glob

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alexander Hof wrote: > Mike Gilbert wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka >> wrote: >>> On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? >>> >>> It is, but I think if that's disabled yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 14-11-2014 a las 19:23 +, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: [...] > It *also* isn't an issue on any other source based distribution. This > is entirely down to Gentoo libstdc++ silliness. > > > However, the right way to do this isn't to toggle some global setting > > - it is to just apply spec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 10:03:27 -0800 Zac Medico wrote: [...] > >> Sorry Zac, I posted my reply before I read this. This is essentially > >> the point I was making. However, I think this will be cumbersome. With > >> the current way we do things, its easy to delete packages from @system > >> by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:17:12 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:17 -0500 > > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> Question 1: is it desirable to e.g. switch compilers, compile > >> systemd, and then switch back? > > > > Thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:17 -0500 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> Question 1: is it desirable to e.g. switch compilers, compile systemd, >> and then switch back? > > This will horrifically break things like Portage's parallel build... > > No

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dropping GCC maintainership

2014-11-14 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/17/2014 09:43 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 10/17/14 14:55, Markos Chandras wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 >> >> On 10/07/2014 01:00 AM, Patrick McLean wrote: >>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 19:25:53 -0400 "Anthony G. Ba

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:17 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > Question 1: is it desirable to e.g. switch compilers, compile systemd, > and then switch back? This will horrifically break things like Portage's parallel build... Note that on every distribution except Gentoo, there are no problems wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Zac Medico
On 11/14/2014 06:58 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-11-14, o godz. 09:08:17 > Michael Orlitzky napisał(a): > >> On 11/13/2014 10:17 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? >>> >>> It is.. but unfortunately there's no way in DEPEND to ensur

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 16:50:24 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Freitag, 14. November 2014, 15:49:17 schrieb Andrew Savchenko: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:17 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > Question 1: is it desirable to e.g. switch compilers, compile systemd, > > > and then switch back? >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Zac Medico
On 11/14/2014 06:14 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:20:50 -0500 Anthony G. Basile wrote: >> On 11/13/14 23:15, Zac Medico wrote: >>> On 11/13/2014 08:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 14/11/14 11:06

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/11/14 10:50 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Freitag, 14. November 2014, 15:49:17 schrieb Andrew Savchenko: >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:17 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >>> >>> Question 1: is it desirable to e.g. switch compil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Freitag, 14. November 2014, 15:49:17 schrieb Andrew Savchenko: > Hi, > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:17 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > > > Question 1: is it desirable to e.g. switch compilers, compile systemd, > > and then switch back? > > This is definitely a good idea. Some packages are p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-11-14, o godz. 09:08:17 Michael Orlitzky napisał(a): > On 11/13/2014 10:17 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > >> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? > > > > It is.. but unfortunately there's no way in DEPEND to ensure it's > > satisfied, as you can have a gcc instal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hi, On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:08:17 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/13/2014 10:17 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > >> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? > > > > It is.. but unfortunately there's no way in DEPEND to ensure it's > > satisfied, as you can have a gcc install

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:10:43 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/13/2014 01:13 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka > > wrote: > >> On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >>> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? > >> > >> It is,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hi, On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:20:50 -0500 Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 11/13/14 23:15, Zac Medico wrote: > > On 11/13/2014 08:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Michael Palimaka > >> wrote: > >>> On 14/11/14 11:06, Rich Freeman wrote: > Well, the idea would be to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/13/2014 01:13 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: >> On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? >> >> It is, but I think if that's disabled you're on your own. :-) > > Perhaps we s

[gentoo-dev] Deps on slotted executables (implicit @system tangent)

2014-11-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/13/2014 10:17 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? > > It is.. but unfortunately there's no way in DEPEND to ensure it's > satisfied, as you can have a gcc installed with that flag enabled but > have a second one (that's actually selected

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > > Sorry Zac, I posted my reply before I read this. This is essentially the > point I was making. However, I think this will be cumbersome. With the > current way we do things, its easy to delete packages from @system by just > doing '-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 11/13/14 23:15, Zac Medico wrote: On 11/13/2014 08:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 14/11/14 11:06, Rich Freeman wrote: Well, the idea would be to maintain the virtual INSTEAD of @system, or have @system just pull in the virtual and mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-14 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 11/13/14 21:38, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 14/11/14 11:06, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: Ditching implicit dependencies is an interesting idea but not practical. Nobody wants to the laundry list, and there's little benefit in maintaining a vir

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-11-14 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > dev-python/markups > A wrapper around various text markups The python team can take this one. Cheers, Dirkjan