Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Zac Medico
On 11/13/2014 08:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: >> On 14/11/14 11:06, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> >>> Well, the idea would be to maintain the virtual INSTEAD of @system, or >>> have @system just pull in the virtual and make some arch-specific >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 14/11/14 11:06, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> Well, the idea would be to maintain the virtual INSTEAD of @system, or >> have @system just pull in the virtual and make some arch-specific >> additions. > > Will that work? Some profiles remove

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-11-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
Hello all Due to lack of time I'm giving up some packages. Feel free to take them: app-admin/ec2-ami-tools app-admin/ec2-api-tools These command-line tools serve as the client interface to the Amazon EC2 web service app-admin/logmon

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-11-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:59:46 +0200 Pavlos Ratis wrote: > I will also drop myself from the net-proxy herd. Drawing extra attention to this sentence; it looks like the herd is (once again) going to be empty, as the result of a lack of interest. If someone does have a real interest in this herd; p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Java7 stabilization

2014-11-13 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:23:43 +0100 Pacho Ramos wrote: > Hello Hello, this is an individual response. > I would like to see if we could finally try to stabilize java7 on > Gentoo as some external tools start to require it. > > There is currently this tracker opened: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/11/14 11:06, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: >> >> Ditching implicit dependencies is an interesting idea but not practical. >> Nobody wants to the laundry list, and there's little benefit in >> maintaining a virtual/system clone of @system. >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/11/14 03:57, hasufell wrote: > On 11/13/2014 04:27 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: * C++ compiler and runtime >>> >>> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? >> >> It is, but I think if that's disabled you're on your own. :-) >> > > I keep hearing this sentence, but it stil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > > Ditching implicit dependencies is an interesting idea but not practical. > Nobody wants to the laundry list, and there's little benefit in > maintaining a virtual/system clone of @system. > Well, the idea would be to maintain the virtu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-11-13, o godz. 13:13:01 Mike Gilbert napisał(a): > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: > > On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? > > > > It is, but I think if that's disabled you're on your own.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Alexander Hof
Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: >> On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? >> >> It is, but I think if that's disabled you're on your own. :-) > > Perhaps we should add a package.use.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? > > It is, but I think if that's disabled you're on your own. :-) Perhaps we should add a package.use.force entry for this. Is there a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread hasufell
On 11/13/2014 04:27 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: >>> * C++ compiler and runtime >> >> Isn't it possible to disable C++ in GCC with USE="-cxx"? > > It is, but I think if that's disabled you're on your own. :-) > I keep hearing this sentence, but it still doesn't make much sense to me. Invalid conf

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/11/14 01:05, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/13/2014 05:30 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: >> >> Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: >> >> In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it directly uses. >> However, to avoid ebuild complexity and developer burden there are some >> e

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/11/14 01:36, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, Michael Palimaka wrote: > >> Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: > >> In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it directly >> uses. However, to avoid ebuild complexity and developer burden there >> are some e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/11/14 10:17 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 13/11/14 09:05 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> On 11/13/2014 05:30 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: >>> >>> Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: >>> >>> In general, a package must explicitly depend

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/11/14 09:05 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 11/13/2014 05:30 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: >> >> Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: >> >> In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it >> directly uses. However, to avoid ebui

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 14/11/14 01:17, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: >> >> In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it directly uses. >> However, to avoid ebuild complexity and developer burden there are some >> exceptions. Packages that appear in the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, Michael Palimaka wrote: > Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: > In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it directly > uses. However, to avoid ebuild complexity and developer burden there > are some exceptions. Packages that appear in the base system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > > In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it directly uses. > However, to avoid ebuild complexity and developer burden there are some > exceptions. Packages that appear in the base system set may be omitted > from an ebuild'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 11/13/2014 05:30 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > > Suggested policy to get the ball rolling: > > In general, a package must explicitly depend upon what it directly uses. > However, to avoid ebuild complexity and developer burden there are some > exceptions. Packages that appear in the base syste

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unify keyring related USE flags

2014-11-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-11-2014 a las 14:12 +0300, Alexander Tsoy escribió: > В Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:53:56 +0100 > Pacho Ramos пишет: > > > El dom, 12-10-2014 a las 10:38 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: > > > El dom, 12-10-2014 a las 00:13 +0400, Alexander Tsoy escribió: > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > I think w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unify keyring related USE flags

2014-11-13 Thread Alexander Tsoy
В Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:53:56 +0100 Pacho Ramos пишет: > El dom, 12-10-2014 a las 10:38 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: > > El dom, 12-10-2014 a las 00:13 +0400, Alexander Tsoy escribió: > > [...] > > > > > > > > I think we should simply have a "keyring" USE flag to enable what most > > > > people wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unify keyring related USE flags

2014-11-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 12-10-2014 a las 10:38 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: > El dom, 12-10-2014 a las 00:13 +0400, Alexander Tsoy escribió: > [...] > > > > > > I think we should simply have a "keyring" USE flag to enable what most > > > people will want -> keyring support. > > > > Some apps have optional suppor

[gentoo-dev] Re: Implicit system dependency

2014-11-13 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 05/11/14 12:16, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > When I was taking my ebuild quizzes, I asked for someone to clarify the > implicit system dependency that we have enshrined in the devmanual: > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485356 > > There is... some agreement, but also special cases an