Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/22/2013 06:11 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El sáb, 22-06-2013 a las 00:06 +, Robin H. Johnson escribió: > [...] >> I'm not going into review systems here at all, I'm simply trying to have >> a policy of what changes are welcomed/blocked WITHOUT i

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman commit unexpectedly drops FEATURES="sign" on error

2013-06-22 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 6/20/13 2:16 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Doing test signatures won't cover all failures. Do you know an example? The only one I'm aware of is when a test signature is made very close to the expiration date, and then the real signature would be done after it. > IMHO the best thing to do would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread Markos Chandras
On 05/29/2013 09:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> There are a couple of other possible approaches... >>> >>> 1) If the 2 systems can achieve peacefull co-existance (i.e. >>> no identically-named files with different contents) then simpl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 22 June 2013 06:20:22 Michael Weber wrote: > But in every single metadata? Can I get a script for my 160 personal > edits, pls? that's why the default is "do it". if you don't trust other people to do it, then yes, you get pain in having to maintain all your metadata.xml files with

[gentoo-dev] unpacker.eclass: add decompress probe helper

2013-06-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 17 June 2013 01:55:09 Mike Frysinger wrote: > i wish we could merge with the file detection in unpack_makeself somehow this patch should unify that aspect -mike --- unpacker.eclass 10 Apr 2013 14:47:49 - 1.13 +++ unpacker.eclass 22 Jun 2013 17:54:09 - @@ -22,7 +22,1

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread Luca Barbato
On 06/22/2013 12:07 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > After talking with WilliamH yesterday, I have this opinion: > - Playing with /sbin/init (instead of /sbin/einit) has two interesting > advantages: > 1. For example, I now have init=/sbin/e4rat-preload in my grub.conf, if > I do a typo, it would fallback

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 05:13:01PM +0200, hasufell wrote: > On 06/22/2013 03:42 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > > > So we have: > > Who = {ANYTHING_GOES, REQUIRES_DEV, REQUIRES_HERD, REQUIRES_MAINTAINER} > > What = {NONE, TRIVIAL, MINOR_FEATURES, VERSION_BUMP, MAJOR_FEATURES} > While looking at it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread hasufell
On 06/22/2013 03:42 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > So we have: > Who = {ANYTHING_GOES, REQUIRES_DEV, REQUIRES_HERD, REQUIRES_MAINTAINER} > What = {NONE, TRIVIAL, MINOR_FEATURES, VERSION_BUMP, MAJOR_FEATURES} > While looking at it... what means TRIVIAL? Trivial change, trivial bug? In my unders

[gentoo-dev] Re: Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 22/06/2013 11:42, Robin H. Johnson wrote: This needs to be in the above data: So we have: Who = {ANYTHING_GOES, REQUIRES_DEV, REQUIRES_HERD, REQUIRES_MAINTAINER} What = {NONE, TRIVIAL, MINOR_FEATURES, VERSION_BUMP, MAJOR_FEATURES} So most of my packages might be coded with: - If you're a

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread hasufell
On 06/22/2013 01:23 PM, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: > and nobody is forced to install eselect-init That was already demanded earlier in this discussion, but I don't see any response from the initiators of this idea (possible I just missed it). Anyway... if they do such a global change without discu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Michael Weber wrote: > === kexec === > speaking of panic. I've never actually used it, but newer kernels > support kexec and in conjunction with pre-loaded panic-images[1] and > corresponding (compiled-in) initramfs, it'd be possible to have an > recovery shell. fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread Jason A. Donenfeld
If we're to support sysvinit and systemd at the same time, let each use their upstream paths. This means sysvinit gets /sbin/init. This also means that business can continue as usual, and nobody is forced to install eselect-init. The current system works for users who don't care or aren't aware of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request for testing: plasma-active

2013-06-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Semantic-desktop: Just so you guys know, as I said, I need semantic- > desktop about as much as I need another hole in my head, so I'm **VERY** > not happy with the 4.11 changes... I believe this was announced - the reason the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread Michael Weber
On 06/22/2013 12:07 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > After talking with WilliamH yesterday, I have this opinion: > - Playing with /sbin/init (instead of /sbin/einit) has two interesting > advantages: > 1. For example, I now have init=/sbin/e4rat-preload in my grub.conf, if > I do a typo, it would fallback

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:20:22 +0200 Michael Weber wrote: > But in every single metadata? Can I get a script for my 160 personal > edits, pls? You can find your metadata files with `grep -r --include 'metadata.xml' \>x...@gentoo.org\< /usr/portage -l` See "Inserting Content using sed" [1] on ho

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 5:00 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > Shouldn't this be REQUIRES_TEAM instead? A "herd" used to be a > collection of packages, whereas the devs maintaining them were called > a team. Or don't we care about this distinction any more? Certainly when I was recruited this distincti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Michael Weber wrote: > Bottom line: I think we need more of a culture of mutual trust than a > ton of metadata. > I have to agree with this. The culture should be that we're doing this work FOR GENTOO. Sure, we're getting benefits out of it as well so it should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:42:13 + "Robin H. Johnson" wrote: > So we have: > Who = {ANYTHING_GOES, REQUIRES_DEV, REQUIRES_HERD, > REQUIRES_MAINTAINER} What = {NONE, TRIVIAL, MINOR_FEATURES, > VERSION_BUMP, MAJOR_FEATURES} Why is there a NONE in What? Shouldn't it be NONE by default or do we want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Michael Weber
On 06/22/2013 11:01 AM, hasufell wrote: > On 06/22/2013 03:42 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:06:30PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> On Friday 21 June 2013 20:26:03 Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 08:17:38PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> I'm no

Re: [gentoo-dev] [2&3]/3 API & files

2013-06-22 Thread Alex Legler
On 22.06.2013 11:20, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 16 June 2013 02:21, Robin H. Johnson wrote: >>> Special pages and contents >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/maintainer-needed.xml > > Since I am the one generating this one, I don't think it makes sense > to move it into a git repo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 22-06-2013 a las 00:06 +, Robin H. Johnson escribió: [...] > I'm not going into review systems here at all, I'm simply trying to have > a policy of what changes are welcomed/blocked WITHOUT interaction from > the listed maintainer(s) of a given package/herd. [...] In my case I would li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread Pacho Ramos
After talking with WilliamH yesterday, I have this opinion: - Playing with /sbin/init (instead of /sbin/einit) has two interesting advantages: 1. For example, I now have init=/sbin/e4rat-preload in my grub.conf, if I do a typo, it would fallback to /sbin/init. If /sbin/init is provided by sysvinit,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds

2013-06-22 Thread hasufell
On 06/22/2013 11:38 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2013, hasufell wrote: > >>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/herd >>> a number of animals of one kind kept together under human control > >> On that very link: >> a group of people usually having a common bond > > That

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> I wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jun 2013, Robin H Johnson wrote: >> So we have: >> Who = {ANYTHING_GOES, REQUIRES_DEV, REQUIRES_HERD, REQUIRES_MAINTAINER} >> What = {NONE, TRIVIAL, MINOR_FEATURES, VERSION_BUMP, MAJOR_FEATURES} >> So most of my packages might be coded with: >> >> >> - If you're

[gentoo-dev] Herds (was: Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP)

2013-06-22 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sat, 22 Jun 2013, hasufell wrote: >> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/herd >> a number of animals of one kind kept together under human control > On that very link: > a group of people usually having a common bond That's a figurative meaning derived from the first one, but it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [2&3]/3 API & files

2013-06-22 Thread Markos Chandras
On 16 June 2013 02:21, Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> Special pages and contents > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/maintainer-needed.xml Since I am the one generating this one, I don't think it makes sense to move it into a git repo as it is. The script is actually pretty simple. The te

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Markos Chandras
On 22 June 2013 02:42, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:06:30PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Friday 21 June 2013 20:26:03 Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 08:17:38PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > > > I'm not going into review systems here at all, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread hasufell
On 06/22/2013 11:00 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/herd > a number of animals of one kind kept together under human control > On that very link: a group of people usually having a common bond

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread hasufell
On 06/22/2013 03:42 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:06:30PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Friday 21 June 2013 20:26:03 Robin H. Johnson wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 08:17:38PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > I'm not going into review systems here at all, I'm s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Soliciting input for a non-maintainer update (NMU) GLEP

2013-06-22 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sat, 22 Jun 2013, Robin H Johnson wrote: > So we have: > Who = {ANYTHING_GOES, REQUIRES_DEV, REQUIRES_HERD, REQUIRES_MAINTAINER} > What = {NONE, TRIVIAL, MINOR_FEATURES, VERSION_BUMP, MAJOR_FEATURES} > So most of my packages might be coded with: > > > - If you're a developer, you can

[gentoo-dev] Re: Request for testing: plasma-active

2013-06-22 Thread Duncan
Chris Reffett posted on Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:24:39 -0400 as excerpted: > The KDE team has added Plasma Active to the KDE overlay, under the > (provisional) category name kde-active. Plasma Active is based on KDE > and is designed for mobile devices. We are not able to test it at > present as none o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introduce global dmalloc USE flag?

2013-06-22 Thread Dennis Lan (dlan)
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 13/06/13 01:05 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >> Dnia 2013-06-13, o godz. 09:35:54 "Dennis Lan (dlan)" >> napisał(a): >> >>> also 4) app-admin/conserver 5) net-nds/ypbind 6) net-fs/samba 7

[gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init

2013-06-22 Thread Duncan
Pacho Ramos posted on Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:48:59 +0200 as excerpted: > El vie, 21-06-2013 a las 09:36 -0500, William Hubbs escribió: > [...] >> No, he has his own versions of the systemd and sysvinit ebuilds which >> move some of the installation to non-standard places as part of this >> machinery,