Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on, you sound like > > an idiot, which seems unneccessary) and let's think about solutions. > > Your laziness makes you sound like an idiot too, thank you very much. Send me constructive criticism in an email and I'll of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 02:56, Peter Stuge wrote: > Stop complaining (and with foul language! come on, you sound like > an idiot, which seems unneccessary) and let's think about solutions. Your laziness makes you sound like an idiot too, thank you very much. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@fla

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > Ah, I always thought of overlays as places where apps tend to reside, > > but of course you could have glibc in there for all we know... Good > > point... > > Welcome to the life of your average Gentoo ebuild maintainer. Stop complaining (and with foul language! com

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 02:18, Rich Freeman wrote: > Ah, I always thought of overlays as places where apps tend to reside, > but of course you could have glibc in there for all we know... Good > point... Welcome to the life of your average Gentoo ebuild maintainer. > I'd think that this would be less of a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > The problem is when you have to triple-check that the user hasn't > enabled some random fucked up overlay and you have to guess whether that > might be the cause of the problem. Yes it happens, not so rarely. Ah, I always thought of ove

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 15/02/2013 01:15, Rich Freeman wrote: > How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a > package maintainer being nice if pinged by an overlay maintainer and > delaying some change for a short time to let an overlay be updated, > but issues that impact overlays should not be co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > The presence of "dozens of overlays" _is_ hurting triaging and other > issues. Things like proaudio overlay should die in a fire, and stop > bothering us to begin with. How? We don't support overlays in the main tree. I could see a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 14/02/2013 23:47, Florian Philipp wrote: > Why is the overlay bad for anyone? No dev is forced to contribute to it > and no user has to activate it. There are dozens of overlays out there > which are not meant to be activated unless you know what you are doing. > I don't see how this can affect

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.02.2013 22:55, schrieb Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina: > On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Hi guys and girls, > >> We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims >> to provide users with an overlay for packages removed from portage. >> Users are expressly invit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-14 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 15/02/13 00:27, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: Remove firmware from users systems with no upgrade path and then ask users to file a bug? That's pretty awesome, how can those people file a You have very broken definition of removing/breaking users systems. Masking is not breaking. The messa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-14 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/2013 08:39 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina schrieb: >> Having 300 -firmware packages is silly. > > I can't help but noticing that some of the recently introduced iwlwifi > firmware packages came from Chromiu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1

2013-02-14 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/2013 08:08 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina schrieb: >> atmel-firmware ipw2100-firmware ipw2200-firmware b43-firmware >> b43legacy-firmware rtl8192su-firmware zd1201-firmware >> zd1211-firmware >> >> None of t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Jeff Horelick
On 14 February 2013 16:55, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > > Hi guys and girls, > > > > We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims > > to provide users with an overlay fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 04:55 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Hi guys and girls, > >> We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It >> aims to provide users with an overlay for packages re

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > Hi guys and girls, > > We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims > to provide users with an overlay for packages removed from portage. > Users are expressly invited to partake

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Dne Čt 14. února 2013 18:34:10, Markos Chandras napsal(a): > > Why not 2011 and 2012 as well? Feel free to add more, its on qa-scripts git repository.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On Thursday 14 February 2013 19:19:52 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > I added the bug queries to http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/ based by year of > last being touched. > > Take look, try to close the oldest ones/invalid ones and so on. > > I think it is lame we have bugs last touched in 2k5 Probably we do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 February 2013 18:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > Hi, > > I added the bug queries to http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/ based by year of last > being touched. > > Take look, try to close the oldest ones/invalid ones and so on. > > I think it is lame we have bugs last touched in 2k5 :-P > > Cheers > > T

[gentoo-dev] Last time touched bugs by year

2013-02-14 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Hi, I added the bug queries to http://qa-reports.gentoo.org/ based by year of last being touched. Take look, try to close the oldest ones/invalid ones and so on. I think it is lame we have bugs last touched in 2k5 :-P Cheers Tom

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 February 2013 16:37, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 14.02.2013 17:30, schrieb Markos Chandras: >> On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: > On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 14 February 2013 20:2

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.02.2013 17:30, schrieb Markos Chandras: > On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: > On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov > wrote: >> Um, what about

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 February 2013 15:57, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: >> On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: >>> On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov >>> wrote: Um, what about th

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: > On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov >> wrote: >>> Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended >>> primarily for

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread George Shapovalov
On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: > On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov wrote: > > Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily > > for > > this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while > > and > > layman seems t

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov wrote: > Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily for > this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while and > layman seems to list onyl sunrise) > You probably mean kde-sunset, which is specificall

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread George Shapovalov
On Thursday 14 February 2013 13:09:15 Ben de Groot wrote: > Okay, let's do this. Since the users don't seem to be able to organize > themselves, I have taken the initiative to set this up. Currently > there is the graveyard overlay on github, and I will be opening the > required bug reports to get

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo

2013-02-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Or N^4 people downloading ebuilds which serve no purpose whatever. That > stacks faster than you think. > That seems more like an argument for not having non-free (as in beer) proprietary software in the tree at all. I have mixed feelings on

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Thursday 14 February 2013 08:53:45 Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 14.02.2013 08:26, schrieb Michael Weber: > > On 02/14/2013 06:09 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > >> I need two things: > >> > >> 1. Users volunteering some time to keep this running > >> 2. Agreement on a place to host tarballs no longer

Re: RFC: install linux-firmware with kernel sources (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1)

2013-02-14 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 14/02/13 09:26, Michael Weber wrote: non-multilib/x86 installs to /lib, multilib is linked to /lib. So please, stop using dramatizing this and use it as alibi for your otherwise justified plans. There is no guarantee multilib is linked to /lib whatsoever. Where did you get that idea?