On 06/21/2012 11:12 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:32:34 +0100
> David Leverton wrote:
>
>> Michał Górny wrote:
>>> But in the current form, the spec doesn't allow passing
>>> IUSE_RUNTIME flags to has_version() so we're on the safe side :P.
>>
>> True. Do we want to keep it th
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:01:15 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> Just a short note as it seems some confusion arises lately:
>
> Ciaran McCreesh is not a Gentoo dev and his words don't represent
> the position of Gentoo development team.
Right. Doesn't that make me more important than you?
https://lwn.
The Reg has a story on this from a blog post by Red Hat. It may be worth a
read:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/18/windows_8_linux_secure_boot/
On 22 June 2012 08:38, Richard Yao wrote:
> Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash
> that people find attractive?
For me, it is mostly [[ ]] tests, arrays and brace expansion.
The += operator is also very nice to have.
--
Cheers,
Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Ge
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:32:34 +0100
David Leverton wrote:
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > No, of course not. Otherwise, every package manager run would
> > practically require it to re-validate all packages in the tree
> > (possibly not only installed ones).
> >
> > Package manager must ensure the flags
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:38:17 -0400
Richard Yao wrote:
> On 06/21/2012 04:29 AM, Duncan wrote:
> > Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted:
> >
> >> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao
> >>> wrote:
> >
>
On 06/22/2012 01:10 AM, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 06/22/2012 01:02 AM, Duncan wrote:
>> Richard Yao posted on Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:33:22 -0400 as excerpted:
>>
>>> A firmware replacement for the BIOS does not need to worry about floppy
>>> drives, hard drives, optical drives, usb devices, isa devices,
Richard Yao posted on Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:38:17 -0400 as excerpted:
> Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash
> that people find attractive?
For me (not a gentoo dev), in simplest terms it's just that I don't like
having to keep track of what's a bashism and what's
On 06/22/2012 01:02 AM, Duncan wrote:
> Richard Yao posted on Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:33:22 -0400 as excerpted:
>
>> A firmware replacement for the BIOS does not need to worry about floppy
>> drives, hard drives, optical drives, usb devices, isa devices, pci
>> devices and pci express drives, etcetera
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:42 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:30:24 +0100
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:49 +0200
>> Michał Górny wrote:
>> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:24:33 +0100
>> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:11:33 +0200
>> > >
Richard Yao posted on Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:33:22 -0400 as excerpted:
> A firmware replacement for the BIOS does not need to worry about floppy
> drives, hard drives, optical drives, usb devices, isa devices, pci
> devices and pci express drives, etcetera, because those live on buses,
> which the ke
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Sylvain Alain wrote:
> Amen to that too, but can you post the actual comments that he said ?
>
>
>
> 2012/6/21 Homer Parker
>>
>> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 23:01 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
>> > Just a short note as it seems some confusion arises lately:
>> >
>> > Ciar
On 06/21/2012 02:32 PM, David Leverton wrote:
> Michał Górny wrote:
>> But in the current form, the spec doesn't allow passing
>> IUSE_RUNTIME flags to has_version() so we're on the safe side :P.
>
> True. Do we want to keep it that restrictive?
Shouldn't has_version allow any atom that would be
Amen to that too, but can you post the actual comments that he said ?
2012/6/21 Homer Parker
> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 23:01 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Just a short note as it seems some confusion arises lately:
> >
> > Ciaran McCreesh is not a Gentoo dev and his words don't represent
> > th
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 23:01 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> Just a short note as it seems some confusion arises lately:
>
> Ciaran McCreesh is not a Gentoo dev and his words don't represent
> the position of Gentoo development team.
>
Amen.
--
Homer Parker
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On 06/21/2012 04:29 AM, Duncan wrote:
> Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted:
>
>> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao wrote:
>
POSIX Shell compliance
>>>
>>> So far as I know, every PM relies heavil
On 06/21/2012 06:51 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> Roy Bamford wrote:
>>
>>> So when you build a dud kernel and flash your BIOS with it, and we
>>> all build the odd dud, your motherboard is bricked.
>>
>> Any firmware modification has potential to
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Roy Bamford wrote:
>
>> So when you build a dud kernel and flash your BIOS with it, and we
>> all build the odd dud, your motherboard is bricked.
>
> Any firmware modification has potential to brick, and shouldn't be
> done unless you are comfo
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Homer Parker wrote:
>
> In the beginning there was a method...
>
> And now it needs revamped.. I see no problem with re-investigating the
> problem to make it better/easier/whatever.
>
++
I for one am happy to have had a working amd64 system for the
On 06/17/12 at 12:02AM +0200, Christian Ruppert wrote:
> On 06/16/12 at 11:39AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > app-admin/ulogd
> > app-arch/pdv
> >
> >
> >
> > Feel free to get them
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
>
> I'll take app-admin/ulogd.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Christian Ruppert
> Role: Gent
Michał Górny wrote:
No, of course not. Otherwise, every package manager run would
practically require it to re-validate all packages in the tree
(possibly not only installed ones).
Package manager must ensure the flags are valid when package is
in the graph. I would think of IUSE_RUNTIME as a la
Just a short note as it seems some confusion arises lately:
Ciaran McCreesh is not a Gentoo dev and his words don't represent
the position of Gentoo development team.
--
Best regards,
Michał Górny
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:26:26 +0100
David Leverton wrote:
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:05:46 +0100
> > David Leverton wrote:
> >> 1) If an installed package has both IUSE_RUNTIME and REQUIRED_USE,
> >> should REQUIRED_USE be re-verified:
> >>
> >> a) for every dep resolution
>
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 14:20 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:13:50 -0500
> Homer Parker wrote:
> > > And what did Gentoo get out of it?
> > >
> > > What I remember is Gentoo putting in lots of work randomly changing
> > > things until things worked, and ending up not knowing
Michał Górny wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:05:46 +0100
David Leverton wrote:
1) If an installed package has both IUSE_RUNTIME and REQUIRED_USE,
should REQUIRED_USE be re-verified:
a) for every dep resolution
b) when the package is involved in the resolution for some other
reason (not necessari
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:05:46 +0100
David Leverton wrote:
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > A simple solution to a program long-unsolved. In GLEP form.
>
> Just a couple of minor points/nitpicks:
>
> 1) If an installed package has both IUSE_RUNTIME and REQUIRED_USE,
> should REQUIRED_USE
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On 21/06/12 03:05 PM, David Leverton wrote:
> Michał Górny wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> A simple solution to a program long-unsolved. In GLEP form.
>
> Just a couple of minor points/nitpicks:
>
> [ Snip! ]
>
> 2) It's not forbidden for package A to dep
Roy Bamford wrote:
> > > I take it the above statement is based on the kernel being
> > > directly placed within the BIOS/firmware/nvram on the board,
This is sometimes called Linux-as-bootloader (LAB/lab for short) in
the coreboot project.
> > > such that you couldn't boot anything else but tha
Michał Górny wrote:
Hello,
A simple solution to a program long-unsolved. In GLEP form.
Just a couple of minor points/nitpicks:
1) If an installed package has both IUSE_RUNTIME and REQUIRED_USE,
should REQUIRED_USE be re-verified:
a) for every dep resolution
b) when the package is involved
On 2012.06.21 16:05, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 06/21/2012 11:00 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> >> A firmware replacement for the BIOS does not need to worry about
> >> floppy drives, hard drives, optical drives, usb devices, isa
> >> devices, pci devices and pci express drives, etcetera, because
> >>
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>> A firmware replacement for the BIOS does not need to worry about
>> floppy drives, hard drives, optical drives, usb devices, isa
>> devices, pci devices and pci express drives, etcetera, because
>>
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On 21/06/12 05:33 AM, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 06/21/2012 04:08 AM, Duncan wrote:
>> Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:16:23 -0400 as
>> excerpted:
>>
>>> 3. How does getting a x86 system to boot differ from getting a
>>> MIPS system or ARM s
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:13:50 -0500
Homer Parker wrote:
> > And what did Gentoo get out of it?
> >
> > What I remember is Gentoo putting in lots of work randomly changing
> > things until things worked, and ending up not knowing what most of
> > those changes were or why they were done. The end re
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 13:25 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:04:41 -0500
> Homer Parker wrote:
> > Damnit, let the user shoot themself in the foot but let them
> > learn from it. Remember back in the day when you had no clue? You
> > learned from it. You can only protect
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 13:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:11:27 -0500
> Homer Parker wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > In case you're not aware, the first time Gentoo did multilib, it was
> > > done as a series of random changes to
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:46:39 +0200
"Andreas K. Huettel" wrote:
> > Not that I particularly mind either way, but your stats are way off
> > due to reformatting. If you just use "git blame", someone who
> > changes a \t to a \em in a paragraph gets measured as writing that
> > line and every line in
> > Dear all,
> > according to "git blame", this is the distribution of authorship
> > across the current git master of the pms tex source.
>
> Not that I particularly mind either way, but your stats are way off due
> to reformatting. If you just use "git blame", someone who changes a \t
> to a \e
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:42:11 +0800
Ben de Groot wrote:
> > And users might
> > still have older gobject-introspection installed, with nothing
> > forcing the upgrade now.
>
> Regular maintenance should take care of that. We are not in the
> habit of specifying minimal versions for all dependencie
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:14:49 -0500
Homer Parker wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 09:24 +0200, justin wrote:
> > Won't it be a good thing, if you instead of showing all of us, that
> > you
> > can tell where people fail to present something in the right way,
> > help and guide them to write the neces
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:11:27 -0500
Homer Parker wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > In case you're not aware, the first time Gentoo did multilib, it was
> > done as a series of random changes to Portage that no-one really
> > thought through or understood. As you
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:04:41 -0500
Homer Parker wrote:
> Damnit, let the user shoot themself in the foot but let them
> learn from it. Remember back in the day when you had no clue? You
> learned from it. You can only protect them so much. If they want to
> use custom patches then they need
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 09:24 +0200, justin wrote:
> Won't it be a good thing, if you instead of showing all of us, that
> you
> can tell where people fail to present something in the right way, help
> and guide them to write the necessary things like PMS patches, GLEPs
> etc., so that we can proceed
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> In case you're not aware, the first time Gentoo did multilib, it was
> done as a series of random changes to Portage that no-one really
> thought through or understood. As you can see, that didn't work...
No, but paved the way
Dear all,
according to "git blame", this is the distribution of authorship across the
current git master of the pms tex source.
2 Pierre-Yves Aillet
5 Fernando J. Pereda
6 Mark Loeser
7 Richard Brown
8 Thomas Anderson
25 NotCommittedYet (???)
27 Bo Ørsted An
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 17:50 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
> > Then there are ebuilds that don't call eautoreconf, in the first
> > place. Should we require that all of them inherit autotools now,
> just
> > for the unlikely case that user patches could be applied?
>
> If the aim is to provide a
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Alec Warner wrote:
> There is this vague idea that you can just propose something; get
> consensus on the ML, everyone goes to implement it, and then it works
> just as designed. That is usually called the 'waterfall' model and its
> really hard to do correctly.
>
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:15:02 +0800
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > Then, looks clear to me that the way to get things approved in newer
> > EAPIs is not clear enough as looks like a lot of devs (like me)
> > don't know them (for example, when things to be added to EAPI need
> > also a GLEP and a PMS diff
On 06/21/12 15:25, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200
>> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>>> Also, if I remember correctly, Tommy asked for this some months ago,
>>> you asked for what he sent some days ago and now you requ
On 21 June 2012 05:33, Alec Warner wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Richard Yao wrote:
>> Here is my wishlist for EAPI 5:
[...]
>> POSIX Shell compliance
>> There has been a great deal of work done to give the user full control
>> of what is on his system and there is more that w
On 06/21/2012 04:08 AM, Duncan wrote:
> Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:16:23 -0400 as excerpted:
>
>> 3. How does getting a x86 system to boot differ from getting a MIPS
>> system or ARM system to boot? Does it only work because the vendors made
>> it work or is x86 fundamentally harder
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200
>> Pacho Ramos wrote:
>> > Also, if I remember correctly, Tommy asked for this some months ago,
>> > you asked for what he sent some days ago
On 06/21/2012 04:29 AM, Duncan wrote:
> Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted:
>
>> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao wrote:
POSIX Shell compliance
>>> So far as I know, every PM relies heavily upon b
On 06/21/2012 11:42 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
Please don't fix things that aren't broken.
ditto :)
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:54:19 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> > And since when was "Implemented in Portage" a requirement for an
> > EAPI feature?
>
> Remember EAPI4 and features which had reference implementation not
> in portage?
Actually, yes, since that was "most of them". Nearly all of them got
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:41:23 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:42:36 +0200
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > You just volunteered to write portage patches. Cheers.
> > >
> > > Both were already implemented in Paludis, if you're looking for a
> > > reference implementation to try
On 21 June 2012 15:39, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 06/21/2012 10:37 AM, Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote:
>>
>> yngwin 12/06/21 07:37:15
>>
>> Modified: lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog
>> Log:
>> Re-tidy. Restore glib slot. Drop unnecessary gobject-introspection
>> minimal vers
Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:50:33 -0400 as excerpted:
> On 06/20/2012 04:35 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao wrote:
>>> POSIX Shell compliance
>>
>> So far as I know, every PM relies heavily upon bash anyway (and can't
>> easily be made
Richard Yao posted on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:16:23 -0400 as excerpted:
> 3. How does getting a x86 system to boot differ from getting a MIPS
> system or ARM system to boot? Does it only work because the vendors made
> it work or is x86 fundamentally harder?
I can answer this one. x86 is harder at t
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:42:36 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> > > You just volunteered to write portage patches. Cheers.
> >
> > Both were already implemented in Paludis, if you're looking for a
> > reference implementation to try it out. There are also examples of
> > use of SDEPEND in the old kdebui
On 06/21/2012 10:37 AM, Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote:
yngwin 12/06/21 07:37:15
Modified: lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog
Log:
Re-tidy. Restore glib slot. Drop unnecessary gobject-introspection minimal
version (there is nothing lower in tree). Restore useful comments.
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:10 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Then, looks clear to me that the way to get things approved in newer
> EAPIs is not clear enough as looks like a lot of devs (like me) don't
> know them (for example, when things to be added to EAPI need also a
> GLEP and a PMS diff, also the
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:30:24 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:49 +0200
> Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:24:33 +0100
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:11:33 +0200
> > > hasufell wrote:
> > > > On 06/20/2012 07:07 PM, Michał Górny wro
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:49 +0200
Michał Górny wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:24:33 +0100
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:11:33 +0200
> > hasufell wrote:
> > > On 06/20/2012 07:07 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > Please read the rationale. Again. The whole thing. Three times
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:24:33 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:11:33 +0200
> hasufell wrote:
> > On 06/20/2012 07:07 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > Please read the rationale. Again. The whole thing. Three times.
> >
> > Please read my suggestions. Again. The whole thing. Thre
El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200
> Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > Also, if I remember correctly, Tommy asked for this some months ago,
> > you asked for what he sent some days ago and now you require more and
> > more work to delay things
On 21/06/12 08:41, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:43:36 +0200
> Justin wrote:
>> On 20.06.2012 22:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400
>>> Richard Yao wrote:
Multilib (and/or multiarch) support
The current binaries cause a great deal of p
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200
Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Also, if I remember correctly, Tommy asked for this some months ago,
> you asked for what he sent some days ago and now you require more and
> more work to delay things to be implemented.
I still haven't seen a clear description of exactly w
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