On 01/01/2012 09:39 PM, Duncan wrote:
> Olivier Crête posted on Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:17:50 -0500 as excerpted:
>
>> On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
>>> I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
>>> deleted.
>>>
>>> However, what I would like to se
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 8:59 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
> Udev, kmod (which is a replacement for module-init-tools which will be needed
> by >=udev-176), systemd, and soon others, are advocating a major change
> to the locations where binaries and libraries are stored on linux
> systems.
Could you p
Olivier Crête posted on Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:17:50 -0500 as excerpted:
> On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
>> I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
>> deleted.
>>
>> However, what I would like to see is that the package maintainers would
>> be
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed
from the tree, for the week ending 2012-01-01 23h59 UTC.
Removals:
sec-policy/selinux-xfce42011-12-26 13:07:19 swift
Additions:
dev-util/visualvm 2011-12-26 14:11:39 fordfrog
mail-client/alot
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 02:12:22AM -0500, Olivier Crête wrote:
> The OpenRC/baselayout-2 fiasco, not much better than baselayout-1 and
> unmaintained upstream shows that even a relatively large
Why do you say that OpenRC is unmaintained upstream? OpenRC is actively
maintained in Gentoo, with the la
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 20:23 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:21:24 -0500
> Olivier Crête wrote:
> > Honestly, so many things just work on MacOS and just need hours of
> > tweaking for us..
>
> The problem with "just works" is that when it breaks, it can't be
> fixed. Not bei
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 14:51 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Olivier Crête wrote:
> > On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 01:33 -0600, Matthew Thode wrote:
> >> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:12:22 -0500
> >> Olivier Crête wrote:
> >> All of my systems currently have a seperate /usr that is mounted at
> >> boot. Unfortunately I d
Olivier Crête wrote:
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 01:33 -0600, Matthew Thode wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:12:22 -0500
Olivier Crête wrote:
All of my systems currently have a seperate /usr that is mounted at
boot. Unfortunately I do agree that this is not something that we can
fight. This was brough
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:21:24 -0500
Olivier Crête wrote:
> Honestly, so many things just work on MacOS and just need hours of
> tweaking for us..
The problem with "just works" is that when it breaks, it can't be
fixed. Not being able to handle /usr on its own filesystem is a perfect
example of thi
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 08:53 +, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 07:59:47PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> > 1) Start migrating packages along with upstream and have everyone who
> > has a separate /usr (including me by the way) start using an initramfs
> > of some kind, either dra
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 15:33 +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 01/01/12 15:12, Olivier Crête wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 19:59 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> >> I have been working with robbat2 on solutions to the separate /usr issue
> >> (That is why I have specifically cc'd him on t
Hi,
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 12:46 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
> deleted.
>
> However, what I would like to see is that the package maintainers would
> be responsible for creating any compatibility symlinks their package
> needs
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:33:05 -0600
Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) wrote:
> All of my systems currently have a seperate /usr that is mounted at
> boot. Unfortunately I do agree that this is not something that we can
> fight. This was brought up earlier and the only thing we can do
> for people li
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 01:33 -0600, Matthew Thode wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:12:22 -0500
> Olivier Crête wrote:
> All of my systems currently have a seperate /usr that is mounted at
> boot. Unfortunately I do agree that this is not something that we can
> fight. This was brought up earlier a
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:56:03 -0600
William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:11:58AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:56:33 +0100
> > Thomas Beierlein wrote:
> >
> > > The 5.2.x release series of Bacula uses a new database catalog
> > > format.
> >
Yeah I know I"m replying to my own message, but I wanted to add a
thought about the symbolic links issue.
I don't think the /{bin,sbin,lib} and /usr/sbin directories should be
deleted.
However, what I would like to see is that the package maintainers would
be responsible for creating any compatib
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:12:22 -0500
Olivier Crête wrote:
> The udev/kmod/systemd/dracut effort to standardise the base userspace
> of Linux is probably scary for quite a few Gentoo-ers as it means
> that the end result of an installed Gentoo system will be less
> differentiated than it was before.
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:23:11AM +, Duncan wrote:
> Gentoo has historically been both "light patch", with a policy of staying
> close to upstream if possible, and "customizer's choice", allowing users
> far more flexibility than most distros. Keeping both goals in mind,
> migrating with u
Zac Medico posted on Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:15:49 -0800 as excerpted:
> I'm not sure if a USE flag for FEATURES setting would be necessary. If
> we want to enforce a global policy, then I guess a QA warning would be
> warranted.
I didn't state why I suggested that, but here's the reasoning:
Unless
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:59:47 -0600
William Hubbs wrote:
> I see three options:
>
> 1) Start migrating packages along with upstream and have everyone who
> has a separate /usr (including me by the way) start using an initramfs
> of some kind, either dracut or one that we generate specifically for
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 02:12:22AM -0500, Olivier Crête wrote:
> > 1) Start migrating packages along with upstream and have everyone who
> > has a separate /usr (including me by the way) start using an initramfs
> > of some kind, either dracut or one that we generate specifically for
> > gentoo. Th
Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Dale wrote:
This is my issue as well. I tried to make a init* to deal with this and
have yet to get one to work, not one single working boot up. I have tried
different howtos and not one of them produced anything that works. I have
not foun
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Dale wrote:
> This is my issue as well. I tried to make a init* to deal with this and
> have yet to get one to work, not one single working boot up. I have tried
> different howtos and not one of them produced anything that works. I have
> not found a dracut howt
On 01/01/2012 01:23 AM, Duncan wrote:
> As for the switchover, I had already been thinking about it here and thus
> have a couple ideas I'd very much like to see implemented in portage/PM/
> base.eclass that could definitely help, along with a USE flag. I'll call
> them "migrated-rootfs" and "mig
Sven Vermeulen wrote:
But if people really want to focus on initramfs, I'd appreciate some
documentation help on it. Not only on how to create one, but also why
it is necessary, how to manage initramfs'es, the concepts underlying,
etc. Wkr, Sven Vermeulen
This is my issue as well. I tried t
William Hubbs posted on Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:59:47 -0600 as excerpted:
> a significant change is taking place with several upstreams that will
> affect us in gentoo[. Boot-critical components such as Udev, kmod,
> etc], are advocating a major change to the locations where binaries
> and libraries
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 07:59:47PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
>> The goal is to deprecate /bin, /lib, /sbin and /usr/sbin. My
>> understanding is that they want to move software that is installed in
>> /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin to /usr/bin.
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 07:59:47PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> The goal is to deprecate /bin, /lib, /sbin and /usr/sbin. My
> understanding is that they want to move software that is installed in
> /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin to /usr/bin. Also, they want to move
> everything from /lib to /usr/lib.
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