Re: [gentoo-dev] [k3b] KDE_HANDBOOK="always"?

2011-08-11 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
Thanks for the responses. I'll try to do better next time. Doubt cleared and I can continue using kde without being forced to install the help center. -- Jesús Guerrero Botella

[gentoo-dev] Re: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-11 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:20:21 -0400 as excerpted: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Dale wrote: >> I understand that Fedora is wanting to do this.  What I don't >> understand is why.  It seems it is udev that is wrecking this havoc. > > Well, the answer is a bit more nuanced.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [k3b] KDE_HANDBOOK="always"?

2011-08-11 Thread Thomas Sachau
Jesús J. Guerrero Botella schrieb: > 2011/8/11 Markos Chandras : >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> On 08/11/2011 07:42 AM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> How is it possible that this dependency became mandatory tonight for >>> k3b? I don't think a hand

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-11 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Dale wrote: > I understand that Fedora is wanting to do this.  What I don't understand is > why.  It seems it is udev that is wrecking this havoc. Well, the answer is a bit more nuanced. First, keep in mind that in a "typical" linux distro the end user does not b

Re: [gentoo-dev] [k3b] KDE_HANDBOOK="always"?

2011-08-11 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/8/11 Markos Chandras : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 08/11/2011 07:42 AM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: >> Hello. >> >> How is it possible that this dependency became mandatory tonight for >> k3b? I don't think a handbook is a critical feature and k3b has been >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] /etc/resolv.conf symlink through net-dns/resolvconf-symlink

2011-08-11 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:03:42 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday, August 10, 2011 05:55:19 Michał Górny wrote: > > I'm attaching a net-dns/resolvconf-symlink ebuild which > > replaces /etc/resolv.conf with a symlink to a runtime-writable > > location when installed. That package could be a

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Fabio Erculiani
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > > > Generally, you cannot rely on any dependency (outside of the system > set) being present in pkg_setup: > > > > Ulrich > You may

Re: [gentoo-dev] [k3b] KDE_HANDBOOK="always"?

2011-08-11 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/11/2011 07:42 AM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: > Hello. > > How is it possible that this dependency became mandatory tonight for > k3b? I don't think a handbook is a critical feature and k3b has been > working like a charm for two years

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The case which triggered my attention was actually > app-office/libreoffice with USE="java". pkg_setup (through > java-utils-2.eclass java-pkg_switch-vm [1]) expects to find a > functional JDK environment, Generally, you cannot rely on any depen

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 00:37:18 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: > It's fair enough for you to call them "broken" dependencies. However, > when writing "broken" dependencies it what comes natural to ebuild > developers, is it practical to fight them even though you can write > your dependency resolver to cope

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Zac Medico
On 08/11/2011 12:13 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > 1. implement the ASAP feature in Entropy and live with broken dependencies > 2. live with broken dependencies > 3. Fix the broken dependencies > 4. Fix the broken dependencies and have PMS defining rules for > scheduling PDEPENDs. It's fair enough f

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Zac Medico
On 08/10/2011 11:59 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I would rather want to see it becoming mandatory by PMS, also. > But beside the ASAP, do you agree that there is still a dependency issue? Well, let's just say that it's not practical for me to be bothered by such things. I can't control how ebuild

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Fabio Erculiani
The case which triggered my attention was actually app-office/libreoffice with USE="java". pkg_setup (through java-utils-2.eclass java-pkg_switch-vm [1]) expects to find a functional JDK environment, even though jdom-jaxen is not required as RDEPEND by anything inside java eclasses and libreoffice

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 08:54:54AM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: > > Purely as a quality of implementation issue, scheduling a PDEPEND > > reasonably soon after (or even before) the package requiring it may be > > a good idea, simply beca

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:59:01 +0200 Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Zac Medico > wrote: > > The ASAP behavior seems relatively optimal, which makes it > > difficult to argue that ebuild maintainers should have to go to the > > trouble of creating virtuals and updating rev

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fun of being a PDEPEND

2011-08-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:54:54 +0200 Fabio Erculiani wrote: > >> I've intermittently spent my last two days trying to figure out a > >> weird bug on Entropy dependency resolution algorithm (which is > >> actually just a simple topological sorting out of a digraph) > > > > You can't use a naive topol