Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tags (Was: RFC: split up media-sound/ category)

2011-06-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:25:57 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Umm... I believe Ciaran meant "no description" in the practical PM > implementation rules sense, not in the general definition sense, > which I suppose most folks here understand by now. No, it's worse than that. Cons

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/6/23 Kent Fredric : > On 23 June 2011 09:46, Zac Medico wrote: > > In order for this metadata to be of any use to a user, it would need > to have some way to facilitate its use, whether it be a fake generated > directory of symlinks, or a dedicated program ( like debians aptitude > ) for expl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tags (Was: RFC: split up media-sound/ category)

2011-06-22 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 21:25, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Umm... I believe Ciaran meant "no description" in the practical PM > implementation rules sense, not in the general definition sense, which I > suppose most folks here understand by now. > Most is not all. ;) In general, I try n

[gentoo-dev] Re: Tags (Was: RFC: split up media-sound/ category)

2011-06-22 Thread Duncan
Wyatt Epp posted on Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:57:47 -0400 as excerpted: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 14:19, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:55:18 +1200 Kent Fredric >> wrote: >>> I'd love a tag solution, that'd be nice, is there a GLEP for it yet? >> The slow parts are coming up with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tags (Was: RFC: split up media-sound/ category)

2011-06-22 Thread Wyatt Epp
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 14:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:55:18 +1200 > Kent Fredric wrote: >> I'd love a tag solution, that'd be nice, is there a GLEP for it yet? >> And if so, how long will it take to get this "tag" feature supported >> by EAPI standards? > > The slow parts

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/22/2011 04:58 PM, Kent Fredric wrote: > On 23 June 2011 09:46, Zac Medico wrote: > >> It could be implemented with a metadata.xml extension, or possibly an >> new ebuild variable. A GLEP would be a good way to propose such an >> extension. > > I'd myself see metadata.xml or ebuild variable

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Kent Fredric
On 23 June 2011 09:46, Zac Medico wrote: > It could be implemented with a metadata.xml extension, or possibly an > new ebuild variable. A GLEP would be a good way to propose such an > extension. I'd myself see metadata.xml or ebuild variables, on their own, less than useful. For me, the primary

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/22/2011 02:38 AM, Joshua Saddler wrote: > Whatever happened to implementing tags for the Portage tree? The idea > behind tags was to avoid spamming users with more and more > directories, especially for apps that are hard to categorize. Which, > arguably, is most of them. We have tags for web

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:16:25 justin wrote: > On 6/22/11 4:47 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Am Mittwoch 22 Juni 2011, 16:35:07 schrieb Matthew Summers: > >> One thing to note is that a few various python modules, like numpy, > >> really benefit from fortran. While many people using numpy

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread James Cloos
> "j" == justin writes: j> 1. leave [the fortran USE flag] as it is as global USE enabled. This is the best option for the vast majority of users. There are just too many important and useful apps which (rely on libraries which)* include fortran code. The few cases where it is not a benef

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tags (Was: RFC: split up media-sound/ category)

2011-06-22 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:55:18 +1200 Kent Fredric wrote: > I'd love a tag solution, that'd be nice, is there a GLEP for it yet? > And if so, how long will it take to get this "tag" feature supported > by EAPI standards? The slow parts are coming up with a good design, getting the Council to approve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages that explicitly DEPEND on sys-apps/sed

2011-06-22 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 16:27 Tue 14 Jun , Brian Harring wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:08:54AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > And no, I don't think that Gentoo should fully support reduced-@system > > builds, but there is no harm in making them more of a viable option. > > Personally... I think gentoo should

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22/06/2011 07:42 μμ, Dane Smith wrote: > On 06/22/11 12:41, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 22/06/2011 07:30 ¼¼, Dane Smith wrote: >>> On 06/22/11 12:18, Markos Chandras wrote: On 22/06/2011 06:47 ¼¼, Christoph Mende wrote: > On Mi, 2011-06-

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Dane Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/22/11 12:41, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 22/06/2011 07:30 ¼¼, Dane Smith wrote: >> On 06/22/11 12:18, Markos Chandras wrote: >>> On 22/06/2011 06:47 ¼¼, Christoph Mende wrote: On Mi, 2011-06-22 at 18:33 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > --

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22/06/2011 07:30 μμ, Dane Smith wrote: > On 06/22/11 12:18, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 22/06/2011 06:47 ¼¼, Christoph Mende wrote: >>> On Mi, 2011-06-22 at 18:33 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SH

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Dane Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/22/11 12:18, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 22/06/2011 06:47 ¼¼, Christoph Mende wrote: >> On Mi, 2011-06-22 at 18:33 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA512 >>> >>> On 22/06/2011 06:19 ??, Dane Smith wr

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Christoph Mende
On Mi, 2011-06-22 at 19:18 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 22/06/2011 06:47 μμ, Christoph Mende wrote: > > On Mi, 2011-06-22 at 18:33 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA512 > >> > >> On 22/06/

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22/06/2011 06:47 μμ, Christoph Mende wrote: > On Mi, 2011-06-22 at 18:33 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> On 22/06/2011 06:19 ??, Dane Smith wrote: >>> - gpg control packet >>> All, >>> [..]

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Christoph Mende
On Mi, 2011-06-22 at 18:33 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 22/06/2011 06:19 ??, Dane Smith wrote: > > - gpg control packet > > All, > > [..] > > Thanks! > > > > [1] http://dev.c1pher.net/index.php/2011/03/c1phers-adopt-a-package-program/ >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> Create a formal Gentoo project with its own herd and alias. Whenever a > packages has a proxy-maintainer, instead of having 2 maintainer entries > (one for the user, one for the dev), have the users contact information, > and put the package in the herd associated with the project. (Say > proxy-m

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22/06/2011 06:19 ??, Dane Smith wrote: > - gpg control packet > All, > [..] > Thanks! > > [1] http://dev.c1pher.net/index.php/2011/03/c1phers-adopt-a-package-program/ > Hi Dane, I tried to do the same a year ago. Have a look here. It may help y

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Formal Adopt a Package Program

2011-06-22 Thread Dane Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, As some of you may have seen, over the past couple months I've been serving as a proxy-maintainer on a number of packages for a fair few proxy-committeers through what I've been calling C1phers Adopt a Package Program [1]. So far, I would consider

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread justin
On 6/22/11 4:47 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Mittwoch 22 Juni 2011, 16:35:07 schrieb Matthew Summers: >> >> Hey Justin, >> >> One thing to note is that a few various python modules, like numpy, >> really benefit from fortran. While many people using numpy are >> scientists, many are not and f

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Mittwoch 22 Juni 2011, 16:35:07 schrieb Matthew Summers: > > Hey Justin, > > One thing to note is that a few various python modules, like numpy, > really benefit from fortran. While many people using numpy are > scientists, many are not and further there are various modules that > depend on nu

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread Matthew Summers
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:01 AM, justin wrote: > On 22/06/11 09:55, Michał Górny wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:15:35 +0200 >> justin wrote: >> >>> On 21/06/11 16:18, Matt Turner wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:17 AM, justin wrote: > HI, > > with the addition of the fortran-2

Re: [gentoo-dev] sandbox repository

2011-06-22 Thread Matt Joiner
Sorry I'm a one time Gentoo developer, and a first timer on the Gentoo mailing list and no longer a Gentoo user. My question has been answered, thanks! On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Dane Smith wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/21/11 07:46, Matt Joiner wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] systemd project created.

2011-06-22 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22-06-2011 08:02, Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:44 + > "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > > >> Is there any particular reason to create this project as a top-level >> project? I don't see why this shouldn't be a base sub-

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Kent Fredric
On 22 June 2011 21:38, Joshua Saddler wrote: > > Whatever happened to implementing tags for the Portage tree? The idea > behind tags was to avoid spamming users with more and more > directories, especially for apps that are hard to categorize. Which, Agreed. From the perspective of what will need

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:24:07 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > As we discussed for a while, the media-sound/ category has grown > very large and it may be a good idea to split it. > > Right now, it contains audio players, editing software, converters, > sound systems and a lot of other uti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:18:26 +1200 Kent Fredric wrote: > incidentally, I'd be in favour of splitting mplayer and mencoder into > seperate dists if it were sanely plausible to do so. A same thing would be great, say, for ffmpeg. Right now we just have USE=encode which enable all encoder dependenc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Kent Fredric
On 22 June 2011 08:37, Michał Górny wrote: >> Right.  mplayer, xine, etc, work just fine as for instance mp3 >> players. So media- is fine for them. > > But probably we'll move it into media-players and so on then. mplayer and some other things most-often used for playback might be a bit of a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: split up media-sound/ category

2011-06-22 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
audio-* sound better. graphics-* sounds better, if I suggested gfx it was just it's how we have it now in media-gfx (I never liked that either). I also think that media-* can stay. So, something like this would be closer, I guess. graphics-viewers graphics-editors graphics-plugins graphics-libs a

Re: [gentoo-dev] systemd project created.

2011-06-22 Thread Michał Górny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:44 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > Is there any particular reason to create this project as a top-level > project? I don't see why this shouldn't be a base sub-project, like > openrc. By the way, base/index.x

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread justin
On 22/06/11 09:55, Michał Górny wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:15:35 +0200 > justin wrote: > >> On 21/06/11 16:18, Matt Turner wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:17 AM, justin wrote: HI, with the addition of the fortran-2.eclass, it is possible to remove the USE=fortran fr

Re: [gentoo-dev] systemd project created.

2011-06-22 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:54:40 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:14, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:48:44 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" > > wrote: > >> On 21-06-2011 09:43, Michał Górny wrote: > >> > I'd like to announce that I've created an initial proje

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread Michał Górny
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:15:35 +0200 justin wrote: > On 21/06/11 16:18, Matt Turner wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:17 AM, justin wrote: > >> HI, > >> > >> with the addition of the fortran-2.eclass, it is possible to > >> remove the USE=fortran from the default profiles. Any objections? > >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC Remove USE=fortran in default profile

2011-06-22 Thread justin
On 21/06/11 16:18, Matt Turner wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:17 AM, justin wrote: >> HI, >> >> with the addition of the fortran-2.eclass, it is possible to remove the >> USE=fortran from the default profiles. Any objections? >> >> justin > > Nope, I actually suggested this back in December,