Re: [gentoo-dev] Virtual default changes for old users, was: Heads up: libjpeg-turbo stabilization, becoming the default

2011-06-01 Thread Zac Medico
On 06/01/2011 10:15 PM, Christopher Head wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:33:03 +0300 > Samuli Suominen wrote: > >> libjpeg-turbo stabilization is happening for amd64/x86 at >> http://bugs.gentoo.org/360715 >> >> - the gentoo-x86 has been conver

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Peter Volkov
В Срд, 01/06/2011 в 19:37 -0400, Matt Turner пишет: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto > wrote: > > To be clear I support the goal to move our tree to git. > > However, I'd like to point out that simply moving to git will leave us > > in the same state. ++ ChangeLog file

[gentoo-dev] Virtual default changes for old users, was: Heads up: libjpeg-turbo stabilization, becoming the default

2011-06-01 Thread Christopher Head
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:33:03 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > libjpeg-turbo stabilization is happening for amd64/x86 at > http://bugs.gentoo.org/360715 > > - the gentoo-x86 has been converted to virtual/jpeg to support this. > - we have no bugs report

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01-06-2011 22:59, Rich Freeman wrote: > I think the problem is that we're getting a bit legalistic here. I > have no idea why we even needed the policy change. IMHO what should > happen is: > > 1. Dev does something significant and doesn't upda

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > To be clear I support the goal to move our tree to git. > However, I'd like to point out that simply moving to git will leave us > in the same state. Assuming everyone agrees that git is far more useful > than cvs to check for cha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01-06-2011 19:50, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Andreas K. Huettel > wrote: >> >>> So we come back to the problem being *CVS* not ChangeLog rules. >> >> Well of course we can just tell everyone "go look it up on >> sou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: I think that we need a simple policy like: Write up Changelogs for any change that impacts what gets installed on our user's computers. Then we can write up some guidelines about how to apply this policy in practice. I think the problem is that we're getting a bit legalisti

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno mer, 01/06/2011 alle 18.59 -0400, Rich Freeman ha scritto: > Write up Changelogs for any change that impacts what gets installed on > our user's computers. > This is not really a good approach; Peter's approach is more reliable on this. Let me explain: an EAPI bump _should not_ impact

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > The current "every change" policy goes overboard, I doubt anyone > disagrees, but it's worth repeating the point someone else made already, > every added exception makes the rule harder to remember.  The four > numbered excepti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > >> So we come back to the problem being *CVS* not ChangeLog rules. > > Well of course we can just tell everyone "go look it up on > sources.gentoo.org". > However, this is a different discussion. > sources.gentoo.org is a much worse (an

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Duncan
Nathan Phillip Brink posted on Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:30:21 -0400 as excerpted: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:15:31PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On 01/06/2011 04:08 , Peter Volkov wrote: >> > ?? ??, 30/05/2011 ?? 14:55 -0700, Brian Harring ??: >> >> The problem is, that's a *fuzz

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> So we come back to the problem being *CVS* not ChangeLog rules. Well of course we can just tell everyone "go look it up on sources.gentoo.org". However, this is a different discussion. > All this is such a massive waste of time. Can't we just expend this > energy on the move to git? Ack, thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Mittwoch 01 Juni 2011, 17:27:04 schrieb Samuli Suominen: > >> Wouldn't it be better to just trust devs to use common sense in what >> gets into ChangeLogs, and actually be grateful about if they take the >> time to sensor the crap out

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Mittwoch 01 Juni 2011, 17:27:04 schrieb Samuli Suominen: > Wouldn't it be better to just trust devs to use common sense in what > gets into ChangeLogs, and actually be grateful about if they take the > time to sensor the crap out from it, and scrap the whole topic? The problem is, not everyone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:27:04 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > Wouldn't it be better to just trust devs to use common sense in what > gets into ChangeLogs, and actually be grateful about if they take the > time to sensor the crap out from it, and scrap the whole topic? This whole thing came about be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Nathan Phillip Brink
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 04:15:31PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 01/06/2011 04:08 , Peter Volkov wrote: > > ?? ??, 30/05/2011 ?? 14:55 -0700, Brian Harring ??: > >> The problem is, that's a *fuzzy* definition. > > > > Ok, let's start with something and then we'll add more ite

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 06/01/2011 06:15 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 01/06/2011 04:08 ¼¼, Peter Volkov wrote: >>  =4, 30/05/2011 2 14:55 -0700, Brian Harring ?8H5B: >>> The problem is, that's a *fuzzy* definition. > >> Ok, let's start with something and then we'll add more items if >> required. Currently I'd li

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs

2011-06-01 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/06/2011 04:08 μμ, Peter Volkov wrote: > В Пнд, 30/05/2011 в 14:55 -0700, Brian Harring пишет: >> The problem is, that's a *fuzzy* definition. > > Ok, let's start with something and then we'll add more items if > required. Currently I'd like t

RFC: better policy for ChageLogs (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Council May Summary: Changes to ChangeLog handling)

2011-06-01 Thread Peter Volkov
В Пнд, 30/05/2011 в 14:55 -0700, Brian Harring пишет: > The problem is, that's a *fuzzy* definition. Ok, let's start with something and then we'll add more items if required. Currently I'd like to propose following text: The ChangeLog must be updated with each commit. The only possible relaxatio

[gentoo-dev] [Test request] Group plugdev for udisks and upower

2011-06-01 Thread Samuli Suominen
Mailed a while back about restoring the plugdev group behavior like HAL had for their udev replacements upower and udisks, so finally got something real to be tested: http://bugs.gentoo.org/369667 Just comment on the bug instead of ML Thanks, Samuli