Re: [gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Richard Freeman
Jesús Guerrero wrote: In my opinion, if we really want to speak about a way to implement that kind of snapshoting, we should start thinking about providing a better integration with lvm, from the root. lvm can take care of the snapshots on a non-expensive way, and it would be relatively easy to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for multiple ABIs for amd64 (64bit,32bit) in multilib overlay

2009-10-12 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 04:50:23PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > what exactly does this "lib32" do ? naming USE flags according to specific > ABI implementations is a bad idea. you have to forget special casing > anything > to "lib32 vs lib64". amd64, while the most common, is hardly extensi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for multiple ABIs for amd64 (64bit,32bit) in multilib overlay

2009-10-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 12 October 2009 15:49:48 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Mike Frysinger schrieb: > > On Sunday 16 August 2009 08:37:37 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> -for the portage version: It is also in the multilib overlay, but in a > >> different branch called portage-multilib. To use this, you should read > >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for multiple ABIs for amd64 (64bit,32bit) in multilib overlay

2009-10-12 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: >> the abi-wrapper doesnt look terribly appealing.  why dont we use >> broken/custom >> -config handling as incentive to convert packages to .pc files.  pkg-config >> handles ABI/cross-compile splitting cleanly and transparently. > > I am tota

Re: [gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:52:49 -0400, Robert Bradbury wrote: > I agree with Wyatt's point. > > Wouldn't there be an easy way to reset the last access date on all of the > files to say 1/1/2009 on a system then execute a relatively robust > multi-user boot (and maybe a world emerge upgrade) and reco

Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for multiple ABIs for amd64 (64bit,32bit) in multilib overlay

2009-10-12 Thread Thomas Sachau
Mike Frysinger schrieb: > On Sunday 16 August 2009 08:37:37 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> -for the portage version: It is also in the multilib overlay, but in a >> different branch called portage-multilib. To use this, you should read the >> instructions at [1] (doc/portage-multilib-instructions). This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving real multilib support into main tree portage with request for council decision

2009-10-12 Thread Thomas Sachau
Mike Frysinger schrieb: > On Sunday 11 October 2009 06:21:14 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> as announced in a previous mail, i created a fork of portage, which has >> support to create 32bit libs during compile phase for 64bit platforms >> (currently amd64 tested, ppc64 untested). >> >> In short, it doe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Robert Bradbury
I agree with Wyatt's point. Wouldn't there be an easy way to reset the last access date on all of the files to say 1/1/2009 on a system then execute a relatively robust multi-user boot (and maybe a world emerge upgrade) and record which files are actually used during that process, then determine w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Robert Bradbury
2009/10/12 Jesús Guerrero > > But there's one... That what the "system" set is about in first place. We > could argue if creating a new category would be any good or not, that's a > different issue. But there's already a list of packages that's considered > critical for a Gentoo system. That's wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Wyatt Epp
2009/10/12 Jesús Guerrero > But there's one... That what the "system" set is about in first place. We > could argue if creating a new category would be any good or not, that's a > different issue. But there's already a list of packages that's considered > critical for a Gentoo system. That's wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:45:27 -0400, Robert Bradbury wrote: > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Victor Ostorga > wrote: > >> >> I don't know the history about init systems category, but obviously is >> necessary to stablish a category into which init systems should live >> happy forever (sys-init

Re: [gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Robert Bradbury
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Victor Ostorga wrote: > > I don't know the history about init systems category, but obviously is > necessary to stablish a category into which init systems should live > happy forever (sys-init ? app-init? foobar?). > > I don't know what you want to call it, "sys-

[gentoo-dev] Init systems portage category

2009-10-12 Thread Victor Ostorga
Lately I have stepeed into bug 216461 "init systems in sys-apps as well as in sys-process and even app-admin" and was about to moving sys-process/minit to sys/apps-minit , but stepped into bug 190982 "move sys-process/{minit,runit} and app-admin/jinit to sys-aps" which is the same and closed WONTFI

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-admin/eselect-news

2009-10-12 Thread Ulrich Mueller
# Ulrich Mueller (11 Oct 2009) # Blocked by its own dependency, therefore no longer installable. # Use the news module of app-admin/eselect-1.2* as replacement. # Masked for removal in 30 days, bug 288560. app-admin/eselect-news