[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-10 Thread ABCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Volkov wrote: > В Вск, 08/03/2009 в 22:54 +0100, Rémi Cardona пишет: >> Le 08/03/2009 21:38, Tomáš Chvátal a écrit : >>> net-misc/mDNSResponder >> How about dropping this one in favor of avahi? Or am I missing something >> obvious? > > Are they

Re: [gentoo-dev] bzr.eclass: The next level (this time with patch)

2009-03-10 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 René 'Necoro' Neumann schrieb: > As one can easily see: While the fetch time for co and lw-co are more or > less equal, the export time is not. As one can say, that each package is > at least exported as often as updated (if not more often), this make

Re: [gentoo-dev] bzr.eclass: The next level (this time with patch)

2009-03-10 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have some doubts about the usage of "co --lightweight" instead of the plain "co". The only reason I can see is the reduced disk-space needed. Because concerning time, the lightweight checkouts take (way) longer... Just some bash-time tests done with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages needing manitainer

2009-03-10 Thread Peter Volkov
В Вск, 08/03/2009 в 22:54 +0100, Rémi Cardona пишет: > Le 08/03/2009 21:38, Tomáš Chvátal a écrit : > > net-misc/mDNSResponder > > How about dropping this one in favor of avahi? Or am I missing something > obvious? Are they completely interchangeable? Last time (well, the only time) I built samb

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
AllenJB wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IR

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread AllenJB
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i a

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Lukasz Damentko
2009/3/10 Markos Chandras : > Gentoo as a project could realize > more of its potential by better integrating people who dont do IRC. Yes. Let's integrate them by introducing IRC to them.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-03-10 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Christian Faulhammer wrote: > >  Having the EAPI stored outside the ebuild's scope is generally a bad > idea, because someone has to tell you that the ebuild you just > downloaded from Bugzilla is EAPI x.  And the package manager will be > totally confused when ass

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 14:15:36 Thilo Bangert wrote: > > Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what > > irc is for. > > while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in > contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close > to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh < ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:49:16 +0100 > Tiziano Müller wrote: > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pPAJXP6shYH78lCXeqRqCUQ > > Here're some more easy ones. > > First up, un-optionaling some optional thin

[gentoo-dev] Maintainence of /usr/portage/skel.* and some updates for skel.ebuild

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Sachau
I would like to know, if there is some policy about editing skel.* files or who owns/maintains them. Additionally, i suggest some changes to skel.ebuild: -fix the comment for inherit (afaik $(getlibdir) is provided by multilib eclass) -comment out the inherit line -comment out DEPEND and RDEPE

Re: [gentoo-dev] Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Petteri Räty
Doug Goldstein wrote: > > Granted the people I've recently talked to about this or the people I > remember bringing this issue up in the past had this happen to them > before we had this firm policy in place so really you're addressing a > lot of the issues. > > But the whole act of making them g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Sébastien Fabbro
On Monday March 09 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > * src_test run unless RESTRICTed or explicitly disabled by the user > (bug 184812) Yes, and I would go even further: keep src_test for unit tests and some kind of pkg_posttest for either a routine to test the package once installed or an elog test rec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Lukasz Damentko
2009/3/10 Doug Goldstein : > So really an effective solution might be for the recruiters/retirement staff > to change a user's shell with a script that spits out a message that says > something to the effect of: > > "You have been inactive for a while. Please contact recruiters to re-enable > your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > "Pierre-Yves Rofes" posted > a4345526fd26a2a6f5dd3cccb4e9767d.squir...@mail.rofes.fr, excerpted below, > on Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:21:55 +0100: > > >> We don't want some still active authorization and key > >> from two years a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Lukasz Damentko wrote: > Okay, let me explain in detail. > > Undertakers contact devs who didn't touch CVS for at least two months, > are considered inactive in the bugzilla and have no current .away set. > > After the initial contact, something like 3/4 of e-mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Goldstein
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > I'm wondering what exactly is the harm in letting developers idle for a > > while? While they might not be actively committing they are still > > knowledgeable people that are just as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Tuesday 10 of March 2009 16:29:56 Alec Warner wrote: > > With some devs reviewing gentoo-commits@, I highly doubt that this commit > > could go unnoticed more than a few hours. > really? cause I bet I could slip something in; now I'm motivated to try ;p I somewhat share the view that's rather

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:11:56 +0100 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh : > > Then this is a legitimate problem that someone needs to know about > > and fix. So having src_test turned on globally is a *good* thing. > > > [...] > > > > Again, finding this is good. > [...] > > > > And if

[gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Ciaran McCreesh : > Then this is a legitimate problem that someone needs to know about and > fix. So having src_test turned on globally is a *good* thing. > [...] > > Again, finding this is good. [...] > > And if you're on an especially slow platform, as a user you can turn > tests off. C

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:00:05 +0100 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > > Well, the alternative is to drop src_test all together. If a test > > failure is meaningless, having the test is meaningless. > > No, some software like in sci-* has test suites that a user wants to > run probably before producti

[gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Ciaran McCreesh : > On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:58:40 -0700 > Alec Warner wrote: > > You can't test everything. I think for a small project like exherbo > > where everyone basically sees eye to eye on a number of ideas this > > works great. Everyone agrees testing is super and they will fix > >

[gentoo-dev] Re: Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-03-10 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net>: > > Potentially the developer could just manually put the EAPI in the > > manifest (or use a tool to do this). Obviously this is an extra > > step when adding ebuilds to the tree, but that would completely > > address the issues with sourcing builds. > > That's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:49:16 +0100 Tiziano Müller wrote: > With eapis 1 and 2 we introduced nice features but also a couple of > new problems. One of them are the use dependencies when the package > you depend on doesn't have the use flag anymore (see [1] for an > example). Here's another one to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Pierre-Yves Rofes wrote: > On Tue, March 10, 2009 7:07 am, Duncan wrote: >> Gordon Malm posted >> 200903091617.48682.gen...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Mar >> 2009 16:17:48 -0700: >> >>> There is an important security aspect to retiring folks - commit

[gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Duncan
"Pierre-Yves Rofes" posted a4345526fd26a2a6f5dd3cccb4e9767d.squir...@mail.rofes.fr, excerpted below, on Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:21:55 +0100: >> We don't want some still active authorization and key >> from two years ago getting stolen and used to try to slip a bad commit >> under the radar [...] >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:58:40 -0700 Alec Warner wrote: > You can't test everything. I think for a small project like exherbo > where everyone basically sees eye to eye on a number of ideas this > works great. Everyone agrees testing is super and they will fix > broken tests or RESTRICT them. But

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:08:06 +0100 Michael Haubenwallner wrote: > Whats wrong with 'set -e' and doing '|| true' behind? Waaay too many false positives. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:25:49 +0100 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > > Uh, you *are* testing things that use a library before you stable > > that library, right? > > When I was an architecture developer I tried to. But when > stabilising a minor version of curl (for example), testing all > reverse

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 10-03-2009 13:15:36 +0100, Thilo Bangert wrote: > > Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what > > irc is for. > > while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in > contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close > to n

Re: [gentoo-dev] devs on IRC (was :Regen2 ( was QA Overlay Layout support ))

2009-03-10 Thread Thilo Bangert
> Bugs aren't a good way to keep in touch with developers, that's what > irc is for. while i dont necessarily think, that bugzi is the best way to stay in contact with me, it surely is a better way than IRC - on which i am close to never. the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Developer Retirements

2009-03-10 Thread Pierre-Yves Rofes
On Tue, March 10, 2009 7:07 am, Duncan wrote: > Gordon Malm posted > 200903091617.48682.gen...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Mon, 09 Mar > 2009 16:17:48 -0700: > >> There is an important security aspect to retiring folks - commit >> abilities. Perhaps in the case a dev wants to contribute but c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-03-10 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 15:39 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > * Utility commands, even the ones that aren't functions, should die. To > > get a non-die version, prefix the command with nonfatal (e.g. > > 'nonfatal dodoc README', which just returns non-zero on failure > > rather than splattin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Collecting opinions about GLEP 55 and alternatives

2009-03-10 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Hi, Reminder (for myself): As long as we want/have to support PMs lacking EAPI detection in '*.ebuild' to mask ebuilds with unknown EAPI, each approach to add EAPI to an '*.ebuild' must be hackish. So we can try to find the least ugly hack, or we need to change the extension. So just another idea