Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: It will at least allow QA team to fix such bugs where patches are already available. So, if bugs are being fixed why is there a need to fix something that isn't broken with regards to a policy _needed_ to enforce this action? Are bugs being ignored o

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Ryan Hill wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:12:13 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed though. Of course that's just me. Well, then, behold: http://tinyurl.com/5jvkm9 Now you have. Enjoy. :) Then I must be lucky.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:12:13 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed > though. Of course that's just me. Well, then, behold: http://tinyurl.com/5jvkm9 Now you have. Enjoy. :) -- gcc-porting,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le dimanche 27 juillet 2008 à 02:12 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras a écrit : > Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed though. > Of course that's just me.) ahah ! now I have an example for you, nemiver. It seems it does the module loading thingy that was brought up in the rel

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:00:55 +0200 Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Afaik it has always been the way that *sane* LDFLAGS are to be respected, but exceptions exist of course and it's up to the maintainer to mangle or clear your LDFLAGS, if deemed necessary. I'd lik

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:00:55 +0200 Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Afaik it has always been the way that *sane* LDFLAGS are to be > respected, but exceptions exist of course and it's up to the > maintainer to mangle or clear your LDFLAGS, if deemed necessary. I'd > like to know, why Mar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-27 00:00:55 Carsten Lohrke napisał(a): > On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > Um, this already is the policy. We've always fixed bug reports about > > > LDFLAGS being ignored. > > > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 23:43:53 Gilles Dartiguelongue napisał(a): > Le samedi 26 juillet 2008 à 21:39 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar > Arahesis a écrit : > > 2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): > > > On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > Um, this already is the policy. We've always fixed bug reports about > > LDFLAGS being ignored. > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this > policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Why are you asking us? He's the QA lead, you should be talking with the > QA team about this. Such issues are not up to a self chosen group, but are topic for this list. Carsten signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le samedi 26 juillet 2008 à 21:39 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis a écrit : > 2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): > > On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this > > > polic

[gentoo-dev] split Qt 4.4 dependencies

2008-07-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Since it is time to get Qt 4.4 into testing, here some information how to get the dependencies in the ebuilds you maintain, right. Beforehand: Relying on best_version() or the broken qt4_min_version() stuff from qt4.eclass is not fine. - Migrating existing ebuilds requires a dependency like

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:37:06 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that > this policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about > LDFLAGS being ignored are usually fixed, so I ask for the formal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): > On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this > > policy > > doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored are > > usually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this policy > doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored are > usually fixed, so I ask for the formal enacting of this policy. Why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:54:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Respecting LDFLAGS provides also some some degree of optimization. It's a *very* small degree, and certainly nowhere near on the scale of the difference made by CFLAGS on some archs. If CFLAGS only

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 01:07:42 Gilles Dartiguelongue napisał(a): > Le jeudi 24 juillet 2008 à 18:36 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar > Arahesis a écrit : > > I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should respect > > LDFLAGS. > > Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should be patch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 02:45:57 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:15:03 + (UTC) > Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In particular, --as-needed makes a HUGE very practical difference. > > It may or may not be the wrong answer to the problem in theory, but > > lacking anything even clo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 18:06:12 Ryan Hill napisał(a): > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:36:28 +0200 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should > > respect LDFLAGS. Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should > > be pat

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:36:28 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should > respect LDFLAGS. Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should > be patched to respect them. Such patches are usually small a

Re: [gentoo-dev] SDLMame maintainer with Gnome setup wanted

2008-07-26 Thread Olivier Galibert
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 03:13:36PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > Christian Birchinger wrote: > >But no matter how wrong i think it is, i usualy respect the > >upstreams wishes. > > If upstream is wrong I think we should help them... Upstream thinks it's a bad idea not to give the user any possibil

Re: [gentoo-dev] SDLMame maintainer with Gnome setup wanted

2008-07-26 Thread Luca Barbato
Christian Birchinger wrote: But no matter how wrong i think it is, i usualy respect the upstreams wishes. If upstream is wrong I think we should help them... lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

Re: [gentoo-dev] SDLMame maintainer with Gnome setup wanted

2008-07-26 Thread Christian Birchinger
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:07:10PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > Christian Birchinger wrote: >> Hello >> Anyone interested in maintaining further SDLMame updates? >> Beginning with 0.126 it requires GConf to get a font setting >> for it's now mandatory debugger. >> I use a plain XFCE setup and don't